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Old 06-30-2019, 08:38 PM
 
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You seem to be deflecting to other events around the world. Not clear regarding your intent. Are you an apologist for the Nazi atrocities in Europe?
Too often the German national socialists get the blame for everything when the soviets killed 100 million Russians and Eastern Europeans during its reign and enslaved half of Europe for 50 years. 20 million alone were starved to death in Ukraine by the Soviets in what is known as the holomodor yet very few know anything about it because it is ignored in textbooks, the media and Hollywood. It’s only fair to all victims past and present that history is portrayed accurately. Europe and the world was left in shambles directly or indirectly not just because of the Germans and Soviets but British imperialism and the U.S. involvement in WWI and WW2 which still has huge implications even to this day (North Korea being an example).

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Old 07-01-2019, 09:47 AM
 
Location: San Diego CA
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Too often the German national socialists get the blame for everything when the soviets killed 100 million Russians and Eastern Europeans during its reign and enslaved half of Europe for 50 years. 20 million alone were starved to death in Ukraine by the Soviets in what is known as the holomodor yet very few know anything about it because it is ignored in textbooks, the media and Hollywood. It’s only fair to all victims past and present that history is portrayed accurately. Europe and the world was left in shambles directly or indirectly not just because of the Germans and Soviets but British imperialism and the U.S. involvement in WWI and WW2 which still has huge implications even to this day (North Korea being an
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I think you just confirmed my previous suspicions.
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Old 07-02-2019, 11:30 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Mao probably beats all of them at mass killing.
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Old 07-03-2019, 06:42 AM
 
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I think you just confirmed my previous suspicions.
I concur with your assessment.
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Old 07-03-2019, 05:11 PM
 
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Mao probably beats all of them at mass killing.
Probably.

And, for some reason, there are always people who cannot let a discussion proceed without trying and make the topic seem less important in comparison to something else because 'That was worse!'.

I wonder, where there's a murder, do these same people interject 'Yeah, but Ted Bundy was a lot worse!'?
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Old 07-04-2019, 12:11 PM
 
Location: SE Estonia
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Too often the German national socialists get the blame for everything when the soviets killed 100 million Russians and Eastern Europeans during its reign
Where do you take those 100 million killed?

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and enslaved half of Europe for 50 years.
In enslaved Eastern European countries, people had virtually costless living space, electricity, heating, summer camps for children and other soviet atrocities. There was no unemployment. There was very low crime, no drug use. People could retire at the age of 55-60. Of course, free medical care and education too. When the slavery ended, those soviet atrocities disappeared.
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Old 07-09-2019, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Mid Atlantic USA
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Too often the German national socialists get the blame for everything when the soviets killed 100 million Russians and Eastern Europeans during its reign and enslaved half of Europe for 50 years. 20 million alone were starved to death in Ukraine by the Soviets in what is known as the holomodor yet very few know anything about it because it is ignored in textbooks, the media and Hollywood. It’s only fair to all victims past and present that history is portrayed accurately. Europe and the world was left in shambles directly or indirectly not just because of the Germans and Soviets but British imperialism and the U.S. involvement in WWI and WW2 which still has huge implications even to this day (North Korea being an example).



Do you have any idea what Hitler planned if he had prevailed in Europe? Why he invaded the Soviet Union and the rest of Europe? Imagine what he would have done if given more time. You just seem to ignore that.



Nazis planned to kill or enslave all people considered sub human, basically all slavic peoples, Jews, blacks, etc etc. he didn't have much love for Americans either who he considered a "mongrel race".


He was far more vicious, evil and murderous than Mao or Stalin, something many on here can't seem to accept for some reason. Staln and Mao just had far more time than Hitler, but given the time he would have murdered hundreds of millions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operat...f_Nazi_Germany

"As early as 1925, Adolf Hitler vaguely declared in his political manifesto and autobiography Mein Kampf that he would invade the Soviet Union, asserting that the German people needed to secure Lebensraum ("living space") to ensure the survival of Germany for generations to come.[27] On 10 February 1939, Hitler told his army commanders that the next war would be "purely a war of Weltanschauungen ... totally a people's war, a racial war". On 23 November, once World War II had already started, Hitler declared that "racial war has broken out and this war shall determine who shall govern Europe, and with it, the world".[28] The racial policy of Nazi Germany portrayed the Soviet Union (and all of Eastern Europe) as populated by non-Aryan Untermenschen ("sub-humans"), ruled by Jewish Bolshevik conspirators.[29] Hitler claimed in Mein Kampf that Germany's destiny was to "turn to the East" as it did "six hundred years ago" (see Ostsiedlung).[30] Accordingly, it was stated Nazi policy to kill, deport, or enslave the majority of Russian and other Slavic populations and repopulate the land with Germanic peoples, under the Generalplan Ost.[31] The Germans' belief in their ethnic superiority is evident in official German records and discernible in pseudoscientific articles in German periodicals at the time, which covered topics such as "how to deal with alien populations".
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Old Today, 10:43 AM
 
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Slightly off topic but I recall reading about Ribbentrop Sr in the days just after the German surrender. He managed to escape the initial Allied dragnet to round up the Nazi leadership. He wound up in an apartment in Hamburg then in the British zone of occupation. Someone alerted the Brits who raided the apartment. The door was answered by an attractive scantily clad young women, definitely not the wife of the former Minister. Arrested and on the way to Nuremberg.
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