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Old 07-06-2019, 02:51 PM
 
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Personally, this is the biggest reason I admire Russia, not the Soviet Union. Russian people have gone through so much in the last century. Now they can look back to their history with pride as one of the greatest nations in Europe contributing handsomely to the arts and culture of mankind despite the hardships. Imperial Russia and the monarchy I think is a big part of that.

Yes, Russians are proud of their cultural background, and yes, you are right that Russian Empire played a big role in establishing the basis for it, be that art or science. It all goes back however to earlier times ( not Nicholas times,) and of course a lot of Westerners that started flocking to the country for different reasons, found a very fertile ground for their aspirations, when it came to the "culture department," and a lot of gifted people among the local population, receptive to their ideas.

But that, yet again, goes to the earlier period of the Russian empire, a period when the hope for it was still not lost, and that's not the period ( Nicholas and Alexandra's) in question.

Another thing I have to mention is that Soviet regime didn't completely eradicate the "old culture" of the Russian empire; part of it has been carefully preserved and overall the spirit of it still lingered around throughout Stalin's time in particular. ( After Khrushev's arrival it visibly changed I suppose, becoming much more "folksy.")
Stalin not only brought back in many ways the system of education of Tzarist Russia (being as

"proven and trusty," and coming originally from Germany,) but even the school uniforms brought back in Stalin's times, take their ideas apparently from Imperial times.

https://bigpicture.ru/wp-content/upl...1/wom_gym2.jpg

https://img.7ya.ru/pub/img/18296/1.jpg

https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/dubi...7_original.jpg

And the last but not least - this is probably one of the most stunning and unexpected images of the WWII;

The ballet school evacuated from St. Petersburg (then Leningrad) to some Perm region, during their practice.

Speaking about preserving one's culture no matter what.

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Old 07-06-2019, 02:57 PM
 
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I wonder what would happen if eg the monarchy was really restored in Russia. The thing is that today's monarchies, at least in Europe are de facto liberal parliamentary republics. For example in the British monarchy, it is not the 93-year-old woman who actually governs, but the parliament with the government and the prime minister. Similar de facto parliamentary republics are other current monarchies - Spain, the Netherlands and others.Today's Russia, in turn is a presidential republic of which the current president is known to have extensive control over everything. Who would lead this monarchist Russia? Would it then become something like Western democracies then?
It took a long time to write GB's "unwritten" constitution with at least one monarch being executed (Charles I), a revolution, then a republic, then back to "constitutional" monarch with the restoration of the Stuarts who morphed into the Saxe-Coburg Gotha family with heirs of Electress Sophia being put on the throne.

Would be hard pressed to restore the Romanovs or any other monarchy to Russia unless it comes about same way they were gotten rid of; via a violent revolution.

Putin and the oligarchs along with others who currently are benefiting vastly from the status quo aren't going to give up their ill gotten gains and power easily. They certainly aren't going to do so to a monarch nor are they likely to suddenly crane their necks to someone just because his ancestors once ruled Russia.

Main reason against restoration of the Romanovs is what would be the point? SU has long been broken up and Putin following the Romanovs has begun to stitch things back together via military force and or political meddling. Being that as it may plenty of former SU nations have *NO* desire to become part of that group again with or without a czar at head of things.

Other main problem is what would any czar and his family live upon? Does Russia restore the lands and property taken from them during the revolution? Or would any restored monarchy receive a civil list pension scheme from state (taxpayers) funds?

Russians are already complaining about the state of their economy and that Putin hasn't delivered on many things. Can't see a large amount of support to start paying scarce tax revenue to support a restored monarchy.

Also as have said heirs of the Romanovs, nobles and others whose property was sized during the revolution have increasingly sought legal action to get what was taken returned. French Republic eventually restored the Bourbon's property, but no one seriously believes that family or the Bonapartes are ever going to be restored to the thrones of France and Navarre.

To have a monarchy you also need a noble class, how does that work for Russia? Do you go back and restore those who came from such families before the revolution? Or, do you create a whole bunch of new nobles. Spanish nobility managed to hang on during various revolutions, coups and Franco's government, but their numbers weren't nearly so culled as in Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_nobility

Finally the whole idea of royalty/monarchs is really passing into the dustbin of history. If we are supposed to live in a society where everyone is equal, how does one justify rising one person/family above others?

It is all but certain changes will happen to the British throne after Elizabeth's time; her heir Prince Charles has already made this clear.
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