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Old 06-25-2019, 03:24 PM
 
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The US and Britain allowed communism to expand. If the US did not exist, it's unlikely Churchill would have given away Eastern Europe just like he did.

Right? Because Britain would need Eastern Europe, since the US does not exist, and there's no large pit-bull to back or support Britain.
But if the US never existed, then Eisenhower would not have been born. And if the US never existed, that would have changed the face of the world as we know it completely. How? We don't really know since there are too many variables. But it's interesting just the same even if it is all conjecture.
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Old 06-25-2019, 03:35 PM
 
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Thank you. Did I do something right for a change, lol. I guess I should have said

The Vikings may have returned.

Or the Russians may have continued colonizing it. Instead of "would have" since I'm just guessing, sorry.
Russians wouldn't have known about the Americas without the Western Europeans. Peter the Great spent a fortune to hire Bering lead an expedition to chart a route to NA because he read about Drake's voyages.
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Old 06-25-2019, 04:59 PM
 
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Russians wouldn't have known about the Americas without the Western Europeans. Peter the Great spent a fortune to hire Bering lead an expedition to chart a route to NA because he read about Drake's voyages.
Why? Alaska was close enough to spit at from the Russian far east. And there were Russian settlements in Alaska from 1784.

"The first Russian colony in Alaska was founded in 1784 by Grigory Shelikhov. Subsequently, Russian explorers and settlers continued to establish trading posts in mainland Alaska, on the Aleutian Islands, Hawaii, and Northern California."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...f_the_Americas

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Old 06-25-2019, 05:08 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Who knows. Thatís a big what if?

You are essentially rewriting hundreds of years worth of history.

My take is that someone else would have eventually discovered and probably colonized the world. Perhaps native Americans would have come to Europe.





People would have found it eventually. It isn't really a realisitic question. I'm pretty open on what if questions, but the truth is, all that would have happened would be that people would have found it a few years later. To ask what would happen 'if', you would have to back it up and say "What if Europeans had never had ship technology" which is an entirely different kettle of fish.
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Old 06-25-2019, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Parts Unknown, Northern California
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If the US did not exist, it's unlikely Churchill would have given away Eastern Europe just like he did.
Yeah, pretty unlikely since there would have been no Churchill. His mother was an American you may recall and without her, no Winston.

And of course it would actually be entirely different people everywhere, not just the loss of today's Americans. The question is far too broad to provide any sort of realistic answer. Consider: Suppose you were in Spain in September of 1492. Columbus has yet to depart, but you are aware that he is going off in search of a new route to the far east.

Now, based on everything you know as a 1492 person, please successfully predict everything that actually happened. You have to be able to predict that Columbus will find an entirely new land, not the far east, that the new world will be settled in exactly the manner it was settled, that the new world colonies would revolt and expel their European masters, that the former British colonies in North America would rise to become the wealthiest and most powerful nation...and you have to predict the Civil War, and the World Wars, the Wright brothers and Darwin, and Marx and Israel and computers and space travel and Donald Trump.

That is what is being asked...reinvent everything and everyone for the past 500 years.
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Old 06-25-2019, 07:43 PM
 
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Possible that another Chinese explorer like Zheng He could have started a different kind of colony......still I'm glad this didn't happen.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...o-America.html
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Old 06-26-2019, 05:42 AM
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There's an interesting book by Kim Stanley Robinson that addresses the notion of a European free new world called "The Years of Rice and Salt". It's not the exact same premise being presented in this thread, as it deals with an alternate history where the plague wipes out 99% of Europe instead of 1/3 of it in the 14th century, but it is close. In this telling Mongols and Muslims kill and enslave what is left of the European people and settle an empty Europe, and the Chinese settle North America, while a propped up version of the Aztec empire dominates South America. There are many differences to the world of today in this timeline but in some ways it mirrors our own world, with three dominant superpowers eventually clashing in a WW2 level total war that threatens to destroy the world. It is an interesting read.

https://www.kimstanleyrobinson.info/...-rice-and-salt
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Old 06-26-2019, 07:09 AM
 
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If European explorers never settled in America, what would of happened throughout the course of history as a result? What would of happened in terms of the spread of democracy, industrial revolution, rise of nationalism, world wars, and spread of communism? I know that America and none of us Americans would be existing right now, but try to look at all of the other aspects as well.

We would have less drug resistant strains of STDs.
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Old 06-26-2019, 03:50 PM
 
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Why? Alaska was close enough to spit at from the Russian far east. And there were Russian settlements in Alaska from 1784.

"The first Russian colony in Alaska was founded in 1784 by Grigory Shelikhov. Subsequently, Russian explorers and settlers continued to establish trading posts in mainland Alaska, on the Aleutian Islands, Hawaii, and Northern California."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia...f_the_Americas

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They wouldn't have stumbled onto the new continent until much, much later without these earlier discoveries. There was no such thing as Manifest Destiny in Russia. Very few ethnic Russians wanted to move to Siberia and that's why the Tsars and the Soviets had to create gulags to force people to settle there.
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Old 06-27-2019, 04:15 AM
 
Location: Cebu, Philippines
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They would have had to have been (you're right, "of' is so moch easier to conjugate) physically impeded from moving from one continent to another. The effect of sch a powerful force would of altered social life on the planet in ways we can't even imagine.
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