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View Poll Results: What Do You Believe Are the World's Most Negative Events?
The Russian Revolution of 1917 and in Particular the October Revolution 14 37.84%
The French Revolution 2 5.41%
Hitler's Accession to Power in 1933 19 51.35%
The American Revolution 1 2.70%
England's Glorious Revolution of 1689 0 0%
September 11, 2001 6 16.22%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 37. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-11-2019, 02:52 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Nothing. I'd suggest you stop embarrassing yourself, but I know a hopeless cause when I see one.
in the practice of law we have a saying; when the facts are against you argue the law. When the law is against you argue the facts. When both are against you, pound the table.

Stalin managed to defeat Germany in the Eastern theater because if had to. Stalin decimated, or "purged" his ranks of generals, making the task much harder and more bloody. And the Soviet Union gained much in the way of territory and colonies (we call them satellites) in the postwar years.
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Old Yesterday, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Kansas City MO
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About the only positive from World War I was the weakening of the grip European colonial powers had around the world.
I would argue, that unlike our vantage point 30 or 40 years ago, that this is not an unmitigated positive given what is presently happening in the third world. So many countries are generating refugees that feel they have to risk their lives to migrate to new countries. One would have thought that if you mark 1960 as the end of colonialism in general, that if the end of colonialism WAS a good thing, that these countries would be somewhat able to govern themselves and at least be stable, if not prosperous a lifetime after the end of colonialism.

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Old Yesterday, 10:00 AM
 
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I would argue, that unlike our vantage point 30 or 40 years ago, that this is not an unmitigated positive given what is presently happening in the third world. So many countries are generating refugees that feel they have to risk their lives to migrate to new countries. One would have thought that if you mark 1960 as the end of colonialism in general, that if the end of colonialism WAS a good thing, that these countries would be somewhat able to govern themselves and at least be stable, if not prosperous a lifetime after the end of colonialism.

Here was what I wrote after what you quoted above: "A lot of the misery in the developing world over the past 60 years can be laid squarely at the wholesale failure of Europeans to prepare their former colonies for independence."
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Old Yesterday, 10:26 AM
 
Location: New Mexico
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I would consider adding Wars of Religion (the Crusades, Muslim conquest, Reconquista, Reformation wars, extermination of indigenous populations, partition of India, etc.) and to the poll.
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Old Yesterday, 11:27 AM
 
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What are you even talking about?
What "free trade conditions?"
Soviet Russia of Stalin's times was an industrial success because;
A. From predominantly agrarian, semi-colonized country in total ruin after the civil war, it turned into industrial state ( that was not as easy to take advantage of by the Western European countries)
and B.If not for industrialization, Russia wouldn't have been able to withstand the upcoming WWII. It would be the end of it as a state and a nation.


I understand that some of you would celebrate it, but that's already a different story.
Lol, yea, the poster is generally clueless.

The USSR in a few decades went from an 18th century agrarian society, to an industrial power sending rockets into space, all the while suffering the ravages of WW2 (and winning that war) and the commie screw ups.

It is simply quite amazing actually.
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Old Yesterday, 12:36 PM
 
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Lol, yea, the poster is generally clueless.

The USSR in a few decades went from an 18th century agrarian society, to an industrial power sending rockets into space, all the while suffering the ravages of WW2 (and winning that war) and the commie screw ups.

It is simply quite amazing actually.

Shows what you can do when you machine gun and imprison millions as an example to the rest.
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Old Yesterday, 02:13 PM
 
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Shows what you can do when you machine gun and imprison millions as an example to the rest.
Not at all, if that was the case, many more nations would have developed at such a rate. China for example was always lagging, despite its brutality and only started to advance when it embraced capitalist ways, and even at that, they are behind on innovation and pretty much playing catch up, and many of its industries solely rely on the West or are actual products of the West.
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Old Today, 06:29 PM
 
Location: New York Area
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Shows what you can do when you machine gun and imprison millions as an example to the rest.
Not at all, if that was the case, many more nations would have developed at such a rate. China for example was always lagging, despite its brutality and only started to advance when it embraced capitalist ways, and even at that, they are behind on innovation and pretty much playing catch up, and many of its industries solely rely on the West or are actual products of the West.
Why do so many posters romance totalitarian or brutal methods of spurring development, when freedom, neutral courts, and clear demarcation of property rights would accomplish a better result with no concomitant slaughter?
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