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Old Yesterday, 01:34 PM
 
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The Japanese didnít want enemy troops on the beaches - period - and realized they probably couldnít stop a troop landing. They could have retreated into the mountains and fought on until they were starved out. The Soviets were on Sakhalin Island and had their eyes on grabbing Hokkaido, about thirty miles across the strait. That probably would have been very ugly and the war ended within days so nothing came of it (Truman warned Stalin off). I donít think Honshu was something they were interested in. They made a rapid advance through Manchuria against supposedly tough Japanese forces and just sidestepped some strongholds in favor of moving deeper into the country (low hanging fruit approach). The timeline on Soviet plans to invade Hokkaido can be found at ... https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter....:%223395%22%7d
Hokkaido was probably only very lightly defended, for two primary reasons.

First, the Japanese knew that the primary threat was the United States and British Commonwealth forces, with Kyushu being the very obvious first target and serving then as a stepping stop to Honshu, by far the largest and most populated of the islands. Hokkaido would have been logistically problematic in a number of ways, including being beyond most land-based air support.

Second, right up until August 8th the Japanese were focusing on the USSR not as a enemy but as a neutral third-party that might serve to mediate some sort of cessation of hostilities on terms Japan preferred. With their forces stretched so thin as it was, it would have made little sense to waste many of them defending Hokkaido from a power with which they were not at war.

Soviet casualties would have been quite high, but that really wouldn't have been a consideration for Stalin. It would have been a drop in the bucket compared to the Eastern Front.
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Old Yesterday, 01:48 PM
 
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I heard a WWII documentary on radio and something VERY interesting was mentioned.

How the dropping of the bombs affected Korea.

It was stated if the US could have dropped the bombs two weeks earlier, Soviert troops were in no position that Stalin could have demanded half of Korea.

If the bombs had been dropped 2 weeks later Stalin very well could have demanded all of Korea and probably would have gotten it .
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Old Yesterday, 10:11 PM
 
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The Japanese didnít want enemy troops on the beaches - period - and realized they probably couldnít stop a troop landing. They could have retreated into the mountains and fought on until they were starved out. The Soviets were on Sakhalin Island and had their eyes on grabbing Hokkaido, about thirty miles across the strait. That probably would have been very ugly and the war ended within days so nothing came of it (Truman warned Stalin off). I donít think Honshu was something they were interested in. They made a rapid advance through Manchuria against supposedly tough Japanese forces and just sidestepped some strongholds in favor of moving deeper into the country (low hanging fruit approach). The timeline on Soviet plans to invade Hokkaido can be found at ... https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter....:%223395%22%7d
That is very accurate....but dude, that timeline reflects an invasion plan by Soviets AFTER THE JAPANESE ALREADY SURRENDERED!
So that really generous of them to invade that island after the Japanese surrendered and they were disarming. Stalin's grandmother probably could have taken over the island.


But, you are probably right, assuming Japan stayed in the war the Soviets would have wanted to invade Hokkaido. But, it would not have been until 1946, probably in the Spring, and Hokkaido is not the home island thus is somewhat less defended. Nevertheless they would have faced the same issue that America and allies would have had - heavy losses, fierce resistance. Probably more so as their limited landing ability (the Hokkaido coast was also heavily mined by allies) would mean that they wouldn't be able to land all their heavy equipment. The only different perhaps is Stalin was more than willing to accept heavy casualties to meet his objectives.
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Old Today, 06:18 AM
 
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A air/sea blockade combined with the Japanese military was in shambles as well as their capabilities to manufacture weapons would have achieved surrender and saved hundreds of thousands lives. Russia was planning to invade if they had China may have joined the effort... i don't buy the cover that we HAD to use the a-bomb to save a million American lives invading Japan. We just wanted to develop a atomic advantage over Russia...that sure didn't work out.
you need to read this...ÖÖÖ

https://history.army.mil/books/wwii/...%20V1/ch13.htm
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Old Today, 11:40 AM
 
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The Emperor's formal surrender acceptance speech never mentioned surrender, used odd archaic language and was confusing since the military and public had no real concept of unconditional surrender terms.
"The war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage." Truly the greatest understatement of all time.
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Old Today, 11:51 AM
 
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The Japanese taunted American POW's constantly with the "superiority of the yellow race"

Constantly they were told about the" inferior US people "

General MacArthur got the best of them when planning the surrender ceremonies.

The entire Japaneese delegation had to walk between two rows of US servicemen who were facing each other.

It was stated Macarthur ordered only service men over 6'2 would comprise the 2 rows of US servicemen that the short Japaneese delegation walked between.
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Old Today, 04:59 PM
 
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74 years ago today America destroyed Hiroshima with atomic bomb killing 80,000 people...a non military target. Then 40,000 nore when we nuked Nagasaki.

And it ended that war.

Japan paid a high price for their stubborn refusal to accept the reality that staring them in face.

By August of 45, they were badly beaten and there was no question how the war would end; they were going to surrender. They were invited to surrender prior to Hiroshima. But they didn't. Then they had another opportunity to surrender, but they didn't. So they lost Nagasaki.

Had they not thrown in the towel at that point, then Operation Downfall would have gone forward, with at least 7 more nuclear strikes along with direct invasions of Kyushu and Honshu.

In that scenario, millions of Japanese would have died.

And to what end?

World War 2 was a series of disastrous choices that Japan stubbornly persisted in making.
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