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Old Today, 05:12 AM
 
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Like, in recent times we can look at the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Kim Jong Ill etc. and just how horridly evil all they were, but do you feel that those from the past such as Nero, Cyrus the Great, Caesar, Domitian, Caligula, Constantine, Genghis Khan etc. etc. should be just as reviled as anyone else for being such extremely evil, horrible trash people to have ever existed?
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Old Today, 05:52 AM
 
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Like, in recent times we can look at the likes of Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, Kim Jong Ill etc. and just how horridly evil all they were, but do you feel that those from the past such as Nero, Cyrus the Great, Caesar, Domitian, Caligula, Constantine, Genghis Khan etc. etc. should be just as reviled as anyone else for being such extremely evil, horrible trash people to have ever existed?
No. I think modern ideas, such as the Enlightenment and norms such as liberty and democratic governance among others, and the lack of these things at previous times in history, contextualize behavior.

At the same time, you question was as reviled as. Example: the fact that I give Thomas Jefferson more slack than David Duke on, say, issues of race (and King John even more, and more still to Roman emperors, and so on) does not mean that I think Thomas Jefferson (and King John, and any Roman emperor, and so on, should be absolved of all moral responsibility for their actions. Too often, the trite and nonsensical notion that because someone lived in the past, they cannot possibly be responsible for their actions during their lives is embraced is an ideal. Partly this idea seems to stem from hero-worship and the resistance to admitting that certain perceived heroic figures had any flaws, and partly it seems to stem from a resentment of certain social changes over time such that the resentful parties wish to give certain figures from history passes on what they did as a proxy for objecting to what said parties resent.

If we (the collective we) are going to laud figures from the past, if we're going to hold them up as models, if we're going to insist on heaping praise on them for what they did, then we can certainly have the spine to examine them in totality and to recognize their shortcomings and their failures.
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Old Today, 01:29 PM
 
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The rules change all the time. Genocide was more or less acceptable, even in the Bible. Anyway, many of those evil-doers were our ancestors. It was survival of the fittest a thousand years ago and the fittest lived long enough to have kids who had kids. Things have changed in the last few generations so we need to think about the context of the times they lived in. Not always comfortable.
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