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Old 11-20-2019, 11:47 AM
 
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Someone has begun a book to tell the stories of the Cajuns pressed into service because of their Cajun French language. What makes this story interesting is what these people had to endure prior to entering the service. They were expressly forbidden from speaking French, the only language they knew at the time, in school. The levels of punishments they endured would result in criminal convictions of the educators. Some educators even went so far as open hand slap across the face, closed fist punch, or even using a bullwhip in some extreme reported cases I’ve heard from my grandparents. My grandfather was one of those pressed into service in France in the Army. Sadly he passed away in his 50s. In fact, many of those who served at that time have passed away. If this book is published it should be included in any WW2 and language/culture enthusiast library.
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Old Yesterday, 02:13 PM
 
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There are still numerous parishes in Louisiana where 10+% of the population speaks French. In the late 1960s, more than a quarter of the state's population spoke French, and that was after decades of systematic government efforts to marginalize the language in schools.

I think a lot of people are unaware just how common non-English first languages used to be among those born in the United States.
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Old Yesterday, 02:51 PM
 
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Paw-paw French was spoken in parts of rural Missouri at least into the 1970s by some elderly folks.
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Old Yesterday, 04:18 PM
 
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Paw-paw French was spoken in parts of rural Missouri at least into the 1970s by some elderly folks.
Missouri French was sufficiently established and distinctive that that's the name of a dialect. It's nearly extinct now.

The power of English is so substantial that it ultimately wins out.
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Old Today, 02:44 AM
 
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Missouri French was sufficiently established and distinctive that that's the name of a dialect. It's nearly extinct now.

The power of English is so substantial that it ultimately wins out.
No, it doesn't. Mount McKinley no longer has an English name. Dozens of African places that were named by English colonists have been renamed by the Africans, and some countries, English is no longer the official language. English language has no power, English speakers do.,
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Old Today, 06:12 AM
 
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No, it doesn't. Mount McKinley no longer has an English name. Dozens of African places that were named by English colonists have been renamed by the Africans, and some countries, English is no longer the official language. English language has no power, English speakers do.,
English never was the official language of the United States.

English wins out because it ultimately has more utility than non-English languages. In the latter half of the 19th century, there was at a time hundreds of thousands of American school-childen attended German-only primary schools. The German language newspaper New Yorker Staats-Zeitung had a circulation of over 50,000. The Wisconsin dialect of German was vibrant. Lawrence Welk could grown up in North Dakota and not have to learn English until he was an adult. German POWs held outside of New Ulm, Minnesota, could communicate in German with local Americans.

No more.

Jersey Dutch existed. Young Martin Van Buren, one day to be the 8th President of the United States, could be born in upstate New York and be raised speaking Dutch, not having to learn English until he first trundled off to school.

No more.

The aforementiomed Missouri dialect of French thrived. Louisiana French was widespread.

No more.

Far from being the helpless tongue besieged by boogeyman linguistic threats that some people see lurking behind every placed named Minnesota or Los Angeles, English defeats all comers. The reason is simple and obvious. English is the path to personal and financial success. Today, just as in the past, every successive generation of Americans descended from non-English speaking ancestors is less fluent in that ancestral non-English language than the first. That's not just theory, it is fact supported by all the actual data (which mirrors the data of the past, though today's less insular world accelerates the process).

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...t-generations/

But, hey, if you really want to argue that "Athabaskan has more cultural power in the United States because... Denali!", then knock yourself out...
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