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Old 11-29-2019, 07:50 AM
 
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Were he not so devoted to his wife on April 15, 1865, Lincoln may have survived.
Or Grant might have been murdered along with the president.

The official reason given for declining Lincoln's invitation to the theater was that the Grants were eager to get to Philadelphia to be with their children. That Julia's real motivation was wishing to avoid spending any time around the volatile and periodically paranoid Mary Todd Lincoln, remains speculation. If that was the case, it is understandable.
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Old 11-29-2019, 08:03 AM
 
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Or Grant might have been murdered along with the president.

The official reason given for declining Lincoln's invitation to the theater was that the Grants were eager to get to Philadelphia to be with their children. That Julia's real motivation was wishing to avoid spending any time around the volatile and periodically paranoid Mary Todd Lincoln, remains speculation. If that was the case, it is understandable.

Yes, since we are speculating, that may have been possible. However, it’s less probable given security surrounding them all would have been tighter given Grant’s stature over the guests who attended with the Lincolns that night.

I’m sure the Grant’s devotion to each other was strengthened during the rough period following his early military career and failed attempts as a businessman just prior to the Civil War.
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Old 11-29-2019, 08:10 AM
 
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Yes, since we are speculating, that may have been possible. However, it’s less probable given security surrounding them all would have been tighter given Grant’s stature over the guests who attended with the Lincolns that night.
I don't think that likely. After President Lincoln's assassination, for the first time there were security details assigned to the White House and to the president. When Grant became president, one of the first things he did was to dismiss all the added security personnel. He went about with no special protection. Grant never bothered with a personal guard during the war, so I can't see him tolerating any for a night at the theater.
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Old 11-29-2019, 08:15 AM
 
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I don't think that likely. After President Lincoln's assassination, for the first time there were security details assigned to the White House and to the president. When Grant became president, one of the first things he did was to dismiss all the added security personnel. He went about with no special protection. Grant never bothered with a personal guard during the war, so I can't see him tolerating any for a night at the theater.
He would have been with his beloved wife and Mrs. Lincoln. Society at the time would have more likely prompted him to endure their safety at least.

But otherwise both Grant and Lincoln employed minimal security measures knowing all the threats against them - Lincoln especially.

I also find it highly unlikely Grant would have also been killed. Booth had basically one shot in his attempt to assassinate Lincoln before interference, whether by Grant or the other guest (namecurrently escapes me).
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Old 11-29-2019, 12:41 PM
 
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I also find it highly unlikely Grant would have also been killed. Booth had basically one shot in his attempt to assassinate Lincoln before interference, whether by Grant or the other guest (namecurrently escapes me).
That was Major Henry Rathbone who was stabbed by Booth and had his left arm slashed open from elbow to the shoulder. Despite this, he managed to grab ahold of Booth's coat as Booth prepared to leap down to the stage. It was that which threw Booth off balance, causing him to break his leg with an awkward landing, not getting his spur caught in the bunting, as has been so frequently reported.

After escorting Mrs. Lincoln across the street to the house where the dying president was taken, Rathbone passed out from loss of blood. He recovered physically, but not mentally from the events. In 1883 he flipped out, began threatening to kill his children, and shot and stabbed his wife when she attempted to intervene. He then stabbed himself five times in an attempted suicide. No one died as a result of this violence, but Rathbone was confined to an insane asylum where he spent the remainder of his life, dying in 1911. He had always blamed himself for not preventing Lincoln's shooting and that apparently drove him around the bend.

Rathbone was 28 years old at the time of the Lincoln assassination, Grant was a few weeks shy of his 43rd birthday. Grant of course had engaged in no personal combat since the Mexican War, 18 years earlier. That he would have made a more formidable foe for Booth than Rathbone is a matter of conjecture.
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Old Yesterday, 11:18 PM
 
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I don't know about Twain offering any help writing the memoirs, but he did agree to publish the work to make sure Julia Grant received the income from the books (I believe it was two volumes).
You are welcome to look it up. Twain helping to write Grant’s memoirs is a well established fact.
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Old Today, 08:11 AM
 
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You are welcome to look it up. Twain helping to write Grant’s memoirs is a well established fact.
Twain's help was in getting the memoirs published and making sure Grant wasn't cheated by the publisher. Grant did his own writing.
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