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I remember taking Art History class a couple years ago as a college student. My art teacher showed some Ancient Greek and Roman artwork. I was shocked by the work I had seen.
The artwork includes strange sex acts. This includes adult men having romantic relationships with prepubescent males, orgies, and etc. My professor went on and talked about what life was like during ancient times. He told us that orgies (sex parties), pedophilia, incest and even bestiality were not considered taboos. They portrayed these perversions on their artwork too.
Also, when I used to go to Islamic school, I remember talking about Sodom & Gomorrah. My teacher said it was a strange city and strange practices. My teacher told us that there used to be gay gangs there that used to rape men and even young boys. Prostitution and incest were probably practiced in Middle East as well. But of course, after the spread of Christianity and Islam, these perversions were banned very quickly.
People say that society today seems oversexual. But it seems to me like things were much worse then. But this got me thinking, we’re STDs much common back then since people were so perverted ?
Last edited by basket123; 12-28-2021 at 07:26 AM..
I think the historical image of Ancient Greek and Rome as a bastion of perverted sex by your professor is an exaggeration, take his comments with a grain of salt. He is an art teacher, not a history teacher. Yes I have seen the artwork as well, also in India and Nepal, but much if it is either - 1.) symbolic in nature (religious or fertility symbols), 2.) for artwork displayed in ancient versions of wh*re houses. There were sexual morals even then. And today we have porn available everywhere, like you said, likewise that doesn't make it a social norm for perversion in todays society.
Anyways in regards to STD, it was not a problem in ancient times until like the 16th century. One theory claims it as a disease for "The New World" that returning soldiers and colonists brought back over to Europe from the Americas. I suspect it relates more to increased globalization as trade and commerce increased exploration, European colonization, and technological improvements in sailing vessels, as these soldiers and adventurers returned from anywhere (Asia, Africa) bringing back diseases that they didn't have any built in immunity to.
I think the historical image of Ancient Greek and Rome as a bastion of perverted sex by your professor is an exaggeration, take his comments with a grain of salt. He is an art teacher, not a history teacher. Yes I have seen the artwork as well, also in India and Nepal, but much if it is either - 1.) symbolic in nature (religious or fertility symbols), 2.) for artwork displayed in ancient versions of wh*re houses. There were sexual morals even then. And today we have porn available everywhere, like you said, likewise that doesn't make it a social norm for perversion in todays society.
Anyways in regards to STD, it was not a problem in ancient times until like the 16th century. One theory claims it as a disease for "The New World" that returning soldiers and colonists brought back over to Europe from the Americas. I suspect it relates more to increased globalization as trade and commerce increased exploration, European colonization, and technological improvements in sailing vessels, as these soldiers and adventurers returned from anywhere (Asia, Africa) bringing back diseases that they didn't have any built in immunity to.
There is a monument in Lisbon, Portugal called the "Monument to Discovery". Its right on the waterfront and makes for a good picture.
Anyway, there is a museum in the basement area of the Monument. I remember one of the exhibits was a display about sexually transmitted disease. I get the idea it went two ways. The Portugese gave the natives in the New World some diseases. The natives gave the Portugese other diseases they brought back to Portugal. Definitely a different way to think about New World Exploration and something they don't teach you in school.
The ancient Roman do practice homosexual sex,sex with young boys,as they own slaves.
Remember the movie Spartacus,Lawrence o'liver was talking to young slave Tony Curtis on eating oysters??
The HBO movie Rome is quite accurate of ancient Roman customs-orgy,homosexual sex ,sodomy .
In fact,cervical cancer is more common among noble women,as most commoners do not have the dowry required for their son to marry early while noble families can afford,their sons will marry at 16 to a girl of same standing at 13-14 age.
Having sex early is one reason why women later develop cervical cancer.
Back then there is no synthroid you can buy in a pharmacy,they will squeeze the throat of a goat to get its thyroid hormone?believe it or not.
I remember taking Art History class a couple years ago as a college student. My art teacher showed some Ancient Greek and Roman artwork. I was shocked by the work I had seen.
The artwork includes strange sex acts. This includes adult men having romantic relationships with prepubescent males, orgies, and etc. My professor went on and talked about what life was like during ancient times. He told us that orgies (sex parties), pedophilia, incest and even bestiality were not considered taboos. They portrayed these perversions on their artwork too.
Also, when I used to go to Islamic school, I remember talking about Sodom & Gomorrah. My teacher said it was a strange city and strange practices. My teacher told us that there used to be gay gangs there that used to rape men and even young boys. Prostitution and incest were probably practiced in Middle East as well. But of course, after the spread of Christianity and Islam, these perversions were banned very quickly.
People say that society today seems oversexual. But it seems to me like things were much worse then. But this got me thinking, we’re STDs much common back then since people were so perverted ?
I state as simple fact that is fairly obvious that you have a sheltered background and minimal grasp of history, with that likely colored by religious teachings. I would politely suggest that you inform your worldview with facts, and only then start making judgments. BTW, do you recognize that in your statement, you are ignoring half of humanity as having any importance other than having babies? That in itself is a widespread cultural perversion that has gone unrecognized for centuries.
Rest assured that the various expressions of human sexuality and power were not limited to the middle east or western cultures, and that prominent members of Islamic and Christian faith engaged in "strange sex acts" among other oddities. Papal indiscretions are probably better documented than many others, easier for you to accept as having happened, and I have no desire to point out incidents in Islam that lead to similar conclusions.
The larger questions are - why were various practices part of each culture, what maintained them, and who or what gained from their promotion or suppression? Limitation of sexual expression is all about power and control at the most basic levels, and has surprisingly little to do with the acts themselves.
Witness: When a rather unpopular and disfigured farmer in early New England was found to have a sow that birthed a piglet with similar features to him, he was tried for laying with the animal, and both were put to death. Scientifically, there is no way that the genomes of pig and man can create offspring, and one can surmise that even back then common sense would rule it out. That leaves underlying power, control, and fear as motivations for such a trial.
A lot of the erotic art work in Roman times especially in Pompeii was advertising for sex workers plying their trade. They were quite resourceful in their profession and the artwork represented their particular speciality. Sex sells anywhere and in any time.
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