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Old 05-22-2008, 01:51 AM
 
Location: The Netherlands
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What's in a name (or title), right?
I mean the most brutal dictators insisted that their subjects called them benevolent.
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Old 05-22-2008, 02:43 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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I don't know that much about Hitler so I am asking...would Hitler have wanted to carry a title that indicated an inherited (rather then earned or taken depending on how you look at it)position associated with the arisotcracy?

One of these days I'm going to have a Rottweiller named Kaiser, I just had to share that.
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Old 05-22-2008, 10:22 AM
 
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I guess der Adolf wants to present himself as a self-made man; someone who reached his position on his own strength.
Given his experience as a soldier in WWI I would only find this logical. It might even explain his hatred for the Jews.
Every rank and file soldier knows that the brass will not personally risk their own lives if they don't have to, they'd rather sacrifice the lives of the common soldier instead. Since officers are mostly made up of educated men it would not be illogical to find that many German Jews would have been officers instead of a common soldier since they had always been educated people.
So because most Jews were rich enough to afford themselves a good education I would not find it illogical that Hitler resented those people who in his eyes were 'spineless' leaders; people who only had a higher rank than him because of their privileges (and their education) instead of individual bravery.
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Old 05-22-2008, 10:40 AM
 
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If so, then he would have encountered the Junkers and the non-Jewish German aristocracy as well.

Its a huge leap to see some people in positions above you and then a few decades later condemn them to the gas chamber. Thus, his hatred of Jews was rooted in something much bigger. What that was remains a mystery. There are many theories, but no hard facts.

For instance, the Hitler family doctor was Jewish and young Adolf liked him enough to send him handmade cards. But some theorize that when his mother died, he may have blamed him and snapped.

Who knows?
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Old 05-22-2008, 10:53 AM
 
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If so, then he would have encountered the Junkers and the non-Jewish German aristocracy as well.
True, but everyone knows that it is easier to bully minorities instead of the majority.
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:00 PM
 
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Wasn't Hitler's mother Jewish?
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Old 05-22-2008, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Kingman AZ
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Wasn't Hitler's mother Jewish?
Yes she was
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Old 05-23-2008, 02:08 AM
 
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Wasn't Hitler's mother Jewish?
So?
The Jews still are a minority, especially when they don't live in Israel.
Then again Israel is a minority when it is the only non-Muslim country in the Middle East.
But even being a minority doesn't give the Israelis the right to treat Palestinians the way the Nazis treated the Jews during WWII.
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Old 05-23-2008, 08:29 AM
 
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So? So the fact that his (Jewish) mother died after being treated by a Jewish doctor doesn't adequately explain in my mind his hatred of Jews. Sounds like self-loathing to me. I think a more plausible explanation is rooted in his failed attempts to become an artist and his rejection at art school. He resented those who thrived in the bohemian world, those who supported the fine arts (wealthy patrons), and any educated person who had an independent thought. Remember, not only Jews went to concentration camps. He also targeted gypsies, artists and writers and intellectuals, Jesuit priests, anyone who could pose a challenge he viewed as a threat. And anyone he considered defective; many, many people with physical or mental handicaps. Which may have given rise to the insidous research of Dr. Josef Mengele.
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Old 05-23-2008, 08:44 AM
 
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Yes she was
No.

There is some question as to who was Hitler's paternal grandfather and rumors of a Jewish line followed. While these are intriguing, there is simply no concrete proof that Hitler had any Jewish lineage.
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