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Old 01-17-2019, 02:37 PM
 
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Ummm... Reich translates literally as "reach," which has an obscure maritime definition that is likely based directly on the Germanic: a continuous extent of land or water, especially a stretch of river between two bends, or the part of a canal between locks. Thus, the "reach" of power and influence by a ruler or group over an area.
And that translation makes no sense in the context of the Third Reich, which was kinda my point. Realm comes closer.
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Old 01-17-2019, 10:51 PM
 
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The Russian Empire's equivalent was The Czar.

Not only that, but Byzantium was the Second Rome, and Russia - the Third Rome.

The Third Reich came in place to contest it, and since Jews were very much an inseparable part of the whole Bible thing, (Jerusalem and rebirth of Israel being a centerpiece of the prophecy,) the elimination of Jews ( and thus challenge to the prophesy) came only natural in this case. Hitler most likely thought of himself ( and acted) as some kind of a new messiah, challenging the course of the history of humankind and directly interfering with it.
What happened as the direct result of it though?
The fulfillment of the prophesy -( or rather the important part of it) - the rebirth of Israel as a state.
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Old 02-11-2019, 01:52 PM
 
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The Holy Roman Empire and the German Empire were the First Reich and Second Reich, but they were not called that by contemporaries... in much the same way that the first few Super Bowls were not called that but had the name retroactively applied to them.
Thank you so much for clearing that up for me. This next question may make me look ignorant but I'm going to ask any ways. What does the Holy Roman Empire have to do with Hitler naming his the 3rd Reich? After all he is so very prejudiced against any other race that he deems un pure or non Arian.
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:39 PM
 
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Since Hitler proclaimed Germany the ''Third Reich'' or Empire why then didn't he call him self emperor??

Ist Reich founded by Emperor ......Otto I 962
2nd Reich founded by Emperor .....William I 1871
Weren’t fascists generally anti-monarchy, and wasn’t Kaiser Bill still living during most of the Nazis’ reign? Hitler probably wouldn’t want to get into a title that put him as a semi-equal with Kaiser Bill or any other German royal.
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Old 02-11-2019, 10:07 PM
 
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Thank you so much for clearing that up for me. This next question may make me look ignorant but I'm going to ask any ways. What does the Holy Roman Empire have to do with Hitler naming his the 3rd Reich? After all he is so very prejudiced against any other race that he deems un pure or non Arian.
Hitler didn't believe Germans were the only Aryans. He believed they were the best Aryans. He viewed southern Europeans and western Europeans Aryan as well. They just weren't as good as the German Aryans and considered inferior to Germans but they were acceptable. Italians, Greeks, French, Spanish, English were all considered Aryan.
The non Aryans in his eyes were the Jews, Eastern Europeans and Gypsies.

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Old 02-11-2019, 10:12 PM
 
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Weren’t fascists generally anti-monarchy, and wasn’t Kaiser Bill still living during most of the Nazis’ reign? Hitler probably wouldn’t want to get into a title that put him as a semi-equal with Kaiser Bill or any other German royal.
No they weren't as long as the Monarchy went along with what they wanted. Italy was the home of the original fascists, not the Germans. Mussolini and the Italian Monarchy got along very well. Of course, the King of Italy didn't have much of a choice.

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Old Yesterday, 08:26 PM
 
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I believe "Caesar" also can be translated into Kaiser.


Caesar, Tsar, Kaiser... all mean same thing when you get down to things.
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Old Yesterday, 08:42 PM
 
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Weren’t fascists generally anti-monarchy, and wasn’t Kaiser Bill still living during most of the Nazis’ reign? Hitler probably wouldn’t want to get into a title that put him as a semi-equal with Kaiser Bill or any other German royal.
Wilhelm II died in 1941, so was around for early part of WWII. In fact by this time Nazis had occupied the Netherlands.


Early on Wilhelm II thought the Nazis would be interested and or willing to restore the monarchy to Germany with a grandson becoming the fourth Kaiser. Adolf Hitler and most other Nazis weren't having any of it; they blamed Wilhelm II for WWI and Germany suffering huge losses and humiliating defeat.


Towards end of his life the former Kaiser saw Hitler and the Nazis for what they were, and especially was appalled by the violence and so forth against Jews.


For their part as things went on there was no love lost between Hitler and Nazis and the former Kaiser along with monarchists. In fact in last year or so before Wilhelm's death the Hitler and the Nazi party pretty much swung to anti-royalist camp. Remaining displays or whatever of the former royal court were removed/destroyed. Rallies broken up and in general a crack down on monarchists.


The Mad Monarchist: The Kaiser and the Führer


Hitler unlike Napoleon didn't see himself (in that diseased and demented mind) as any sort of "emperor" or whatever royalty. Rather as a leader of German people. Hence unlike Napoleon Hitler didn't go for establishing another monarchy and creating a new royal dynasty, but rather a "peoples" movement with him at the lead.

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Old Yesterday, 09:00 PM
 
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Thank you so much for clearing that up for me. This next question may make me look ignorant but I'm going to ask any ways. What does the Holy Roman Empire have to do with Hitler naming his the 3rd Reich? After all he is so very prejudiced against any other race that he deems un pure or non Arian.

About as good an answer as any:


"The chosen name for the projected empire was a deliberate reference to the Holy Roman Empire (of the German Nation) that existed in medieval times, known as the First Reich in National Socialist historiography"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Germanic_Reich
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Hitler's mother Klara was not jewish that I know of..That came about because know one is sure who fathered Hitler's father Alois, the son of Maria Schikelgruber. One can google Alois Hitler for more information. Also, if Adolf had tried to call himself kaiser, that wouldn't fly. kasier Wilhelm's son the Crown Prince was still around, and would have taken over for his father on his death , if things had turned out differently. Hitler would have to prove that he had royal blood in his veins, which he could not do, besides there was no DNA testing then. Your right about Hitler targeting people he didn't like. My grandmother's first cousin,Reinhold von Lilienschild was reported as being a jew. The SS or Gestapo, which ever branch it was, checked his family tree and he had no jewish blood. The family name means lilyshield.They fought in the crusades, and belonged to the Livonian Knights of the Sword there in Riga.It later became part of the Teutonic Knights. Even though being cleared of the jewish accusation, he was warned by a friend that the Gestapo was going to arrest him anyways. So he fled to Milwaukee to family.
A distant cousin of my grandfather Dr.Werner Hilpert, was a member of Catholic action.During the Night of the Long Knives the Gestapo was supposed to arrest him, but the arrest warrant for unknown reasons wasn't carried out. He later had his business office wrecked during Krystalnacht for helping jews, and he spent 5 years in Buchenwald. Later after the war, he was approached by the Allies to help rebuild Germany .
Why Werner wasn't arrested don't know, unless somehow grandpa's cousin, Generaloberst Carl Hilpert got wind of it and maybe pulled strings or something.He had been chief of staff to Field Marshal von Rundstedt and Field Marshal von Wietzlbein in the west , before going to the Eastern front. Also his former boss, von wietzlbein was executed by the nazis for his knowledge of the plot to kill Hitler. Whether Carl heard or knew anything, i have no clue.If he did , he hid what if anything he knew very well. As far as officers go, my dad said in some countries one could by an officer's commission. But in Germany it was more important who your family was.We are entitled to use von in our name, but seems like they really didn't use it at all. The family's very old, and most were officers and besides Carl, another general in the family was Theodor Hilpert who was a major general and a politician in th eDuchy of Baden.
I think part of Hitler's jewish hatred seems from his attempts to get into art school in Vienna, plus the current vein of anti-semetic rhetoric at the time, plus who knows what else.
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