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Old 08-23-2022, 08:16 PM
 
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What was a worse situation, being a rural country Landowner with a farm and career in Hungary or say Slovakia who was facing a Stalin occupation and the land converted into a collective in an SSR with NKVD and threats of Gulags and work camps for bourgeoise

Or

Taken over by third Reich where there were varying treatments based on value to the third Reich and a number of wealth creators given some autonomy if they abided by the laws of the regime ?

 
Old 08-30-2022, 06:18 PM
 
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What was a worse situation, being a rural country Landowner with a farm and career in Hungary or say Slovakia who was facing a Stalin occupation and the land converted into a collective in an SSR with NKVD and threats of Gulags and work camps for bourgeoise

Or

Taken over by third Reich where there were varying treatments based on value to the third Reich and a number of wealth creators given some autonomy if they abided by the laws of the regime ?
First of all, what makes you think that those landowners or their sons (depending on the ages involved) wouldn't be drafted into the nation's army to defend their motherland, and eventually be taken as POW's? Have you actually researched this, and discovered there were landowners who were left alone as long as they got along with the regime? And most importantly: what did they have to do to "get along" and keep their overseers happy? (See below)

Such strange questions have come up on this forum lately ("Did Hitler Do Anything Illegal?"), I don't know what to think.

However, there were countries that sided with Germany, because they hoped to either a) regain their independence from Russia (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia), or b) regain territory Russia had taken (Romania vis-a-vis Bessarabia aka Moldavia/Moldova). That should at least partially answer your question.

The problem was, that in order to "get along with the regime" they had to hunt down and hand over Jews to the German overlords. Would you be willing to do that, just to get along?
 
Old 08-30-2022, 07:41 PM
 
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Since the Nazi plan was to exterminate nearly all Slavs, most Poles, and many other ethnic groups to provide room for Germans, Stalin, as bad as his policies were, was the least bad outcome. Read about Generalplan Ost, the plan for Eastern Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
 
Old 08-30-2022, 07:46 PM
 
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First of all, what makes you think that those landowners or their sons (depending on the ages involved) wouldn't be drafted into the nation's army to defend their motherland, and eventually be taken as POW's? Have you actually researched this, and discovered there were landowners who were left alone as long as they got along with the regime? And most importantly: what did they have to do to "get along" and keep their overseers happy? (See below)

Such strange questions have come up on this forum lately ("Did Hitler Do Anything Illegal?"), I don't know what to think.

However, there were countries that sided with Germany, because they hoped to either a) regain their independence from Russia (Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia), or b) regain territory Russia had taken (Romania vis-a-vis Bessarabia aka Moldavia/Moldova). That should at least partially answer your question.

The problem was, that in order to "get along with the regime" they had to hunt down and hand over Jews to the German overlords. Would you be willing to do that, just to get along?

The "strange questions" that have come up on this forum lately, such as the one you mentioned, have generally been asked by the same poster, named Freesponge. His schtick seems to be trying to get people to think that (other than the Holocaust) Hitler was just your run of the mill dictator, rather than a uniquely evil historical figure.
 
Old 08-30-2022, 07:57 PM
 
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What was a worse situation, being a rural country Landowner with a farm and career in Hungary or say Slovakia who was facing a Stalin occupation and the land converted into a collective in an SSR with NKVD and threats of Gulags and work camps for bourgeoise

Or

Taken over by third Reich where there were varying treatments based on value to the third Reich and a number of wealth creators given some autonomy if they abided by the laws of the regime ?
Many young men who were ethnic Germans in Hungary etc. during the Third Reich were rounded up, conscripted, and sent to fight on the side of the Nazis at Stalingrad. They didn't have a great survival rate there. If they did survive, they were Russian POWs and they were sent to gulags anyway. If they survived the gulag, they were allowed to find their way back to their country from Siberia, if they could. Doesn't sound like such a great situation to me.

Either way, you wind up in a gulag.
 
Old 08-30-2022, 08:01 PM
 
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Since the Nazi plan was to exterminate nearly all Slavs, most Poles, and many other ethnic groups to provide room for Germans, Stalin, as bad as his policies were, was the least bad outcome. Read about Generalplan Ost, the plan for Eastern Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
I thought the plan was to use Slavs as worker bees. Thanks for posting the link.
 
Old 08-30-2022, 09:02 PM
 
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I thought the plan was to use Slavs as worker bees. Thanks for posting the link.
They might have been used as worker bees until they starved to death. The Nazis were good at that. Hitler and his minions considered slaves to be untermenschen, or sub humans that didn't deserve to live. There had to be some real issues in those guys childhoods for them to be that sociopathic.
 
Old 08-31-2022, 04:22 AM
 
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Stop opening threads with these ridiculous premises.
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