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Old 05-30-2008, 06:17 PM
 
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John, we need to keep exploring on this one. Good so far, but there is much more.
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Old 05-30-2008, 10:00 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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What was New Jersey's position on slavery leading up to the Civil War? In conjunction to this, where did the state stand on Lincoln, the Confederacy, & the war itself.

Hint - Nothing is obvious, but it is out there. I'll check back later. I have something that has to be done. This is tricky. I have a 2nd hint, if it's needed.
Here's another hint........ Use your imagination to draw the Mason-Dixon line to the Atlantic Ocean.
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Old 05-30-2008, 10:54 PM
 
Location: on the coast of somewhere beautiful
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Red face david...at his finest

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PUZZLER: What was the purpose of the "David" statue?
From what I gather, the original purpose of the statue was merely to decorate a cathedral in Florence. It was commissioned by the Arte della Lana (Guild of Wool merchants), who were assigned the job of managing the appearance of florence's cathedrals. However, when Michaelangelo completed David, choosing to depict him before he went into battle, Florence began viewing the statue as a political sign (the hero going into battle was compared to the recent overthrow of the Medici family) and today is even thought of as being a symbol of Florence's independence...(well, to the residents anyway).
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Old 05-31-2008, 06:30 AM
 
Location: Turn Left at Greenland
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Can I toss one in the hopper?
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Old 05-31-2008, 01:37 PM
 
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John, we need to keep exploring on this one. Good so far, but there is much more.
Harry,

The historical background for the David statue is that Florence had just won its independence from the Medici, a banking family that virtually ruled Florence from 1434 to 1494. At the time, Italy consisted of of several competing and often warring states. I've read two or three versions of why David was commissioned, but one is that, to commemorate their newly found independence, the city fathers wanted a magnificent figure to serve as a symbol pf protection for Florence.

Another version is that David was intended to be used as a buttress in the Duomo or Cathedral. There is strong evidence that Michelangelo himself had no idea where David would be used, because sculptors who knew that a statue was intended to go into a niche of a building wouldn't finish the back side of the statue. David, of course, was a complete and finished statue in every detail. It's said that Michelangelo designed David to exude the kind of relaxed confidence that would give any aggressor pause.

On a tour to Florence, we were taken to a bluff overlooking the city, where a copy of David presides. It was a great introduction to the city. Later we saw a second copy in the square and then the original David. BTW, the Duomo or cathedral is as much a treasure as David. The story of Brunelleschi's unique design for the Cathedral dome is one of the great stories of architecture. It's said that the men who worked on the dome were terrified at first and didn't trust the stability of the unorthodox structure. Brunelleschi personally went up and laid some of the bricks to allay their fears. There is a book on the history of the dome called "Brunelleschi's Dome." I haven't read it yet, but it's on my list of must-reads.
John
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Old 05-31-2008, 09:21 PM
 
Location: on the coast of somewhere beautiful
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Thumbs up I think john got it

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Harry,

The historical background for the David statue is that Florence had just won its independence from the Medici, a banking family that virtually ruled Florence from 1434 to 1494. At the time, Italy consisted of of several competing and often warring states. I've read two or three versions of why David was commissioned, but one is that, to commemorate their newly found independence, the city fathers wanted a magnificent figure to serve as a symbol pf protection for Florence.

Another version is that David was intended to be used as a buttress in the Duomo or Cathedral. There is strong evidence that Michelangelo himself had no idea where David would be used, because sculptors who knew that a statue was intended to go into a niche of a building wouldn't finish the back side of the statue. David, of course, was a complete and finished statue in every detail. It's said that Michelangelo designed David to exude the kind of relaxed confidence that would give any aggressor pause.

On a tour to Florence, we were taken to a bluff overlooking the city, where a copy of David presides. It was a great introduction to the city. Later we saw a second copy in the square and then the original David. BTW, the Duomo or cathedral is as much a treasure as David. The story of Brunelleschi's unique design for the Cathedral dome is one of the great stories of architecture. It's said that the men who worked on the dome were terrified at first and didn't trust the stability of the unorthodox structure. Brunelleschi personally went up and laid some of the bricks to allay their fears. There is a book on the history of the dome called "Brunelleschi's Dome." I haven't read it yet, but it's on my list of must-reads.
John
Well said John. I'll have to add that book to my must-reads list as well
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Old 06-04-2008, 07:56 AM
 
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According to a past History Channel program, the David statue was originally intended to sit near the top of the Cathedral, hence the large scale of it. When it was finally unveiled after years of work, the Medici had just barely been booted out, and it was decided to place it in front of the city municipal building as a statement; Florence being the David, and the Medici being the unseen Goliath.

When one of the Medici brothers, who had been raised to become a power in the church, was able to convince the Pope of his cause, the Church raised an army for him to re-take Florence. Later, he actually became Pope. Oops!

What I found interesting was that Michelangelo was literally raised by the Medici family, alongside the two young Medici brothers. Since the family was his patron, he was working with their blessing on the statue that was eventually used as a symbol of resistance to them. To the Medici credit, the statue was not destroyed when power was regained.

The Medici were so powerful that even today we regard their personal promotion of the arts and sciences as "The Renaissance."
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Old 06-10-2008, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Beaumont, Texas
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I have nothing to add. Just wanted to state that this is the best and most adult thread on the site. Great insight from all. Thanks.
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Old 06-11-2008, 11:15 AM
 
Location: on the coast of somewhere beautiful
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Default who am i???

ok...how about another "who am i?".... (it's been a while)

I was a Roman Catholic Missionary from the Congregation of Sacred Hearts who reformed how the medical field treats patients. I was recently honored as "De Grootste Belg" and there is a statue of me in the national capital as well as in a state capital (US). Although I spent my life helping people of a different disease, I have many hiv/aids clinics around the world, allowing doctors to fully understand the disease and it's varied effects on patients. I was the strongest voice for lepers until my death, when worldwide attention was focused on the disease. Who am I?

*hint- my colony was Kalawao (CALL-a-vow)
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Old 06-11-2008, 12:35 PM
 
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Father Damien????
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