Can anyone name one (1) former Spanish colony that isn't poverty stricken, and 1 British one that is? (Exclude Africa) (biggest, slave)

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Bobadas

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There was a thing called Independence Treaty signed between Spain and Mexico. Texas and California were included. Those lands were conquered when the 13 colonies were just a congregation of wackos expelled from Europe living on Spanish soil.

Anyways, those lands will soon return to their rightful owners.

You mean the first group of (probable) Indians who originally came from Asia? A bit late now that they are either extinct or are part of the heritage of Americans today.

Besides: if discussing atrocities by White Euros----------you had better count the Spaniards AKA Hispanics as well.

[Grandstander]

Originally Posted by Bobadas

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There was a thing called Independence Treaty signed between Spain and Mexico. Texas and California were included. Those lands were conquered when the 13 colonies were just a congregation of wackos expelled from Europe living on Spanish soil.

Anyways, those lands will soon return to their rightful owners.

For the purpose of fully understanding your position, could you:

A) Identify the "rightful" owners of the lands in question

and

B) Explain how "right" is determined

and

C) Provide some examples of land which is presently held by the "rightful" owners.

Thank you

[Six Foot Three]

Note: Bobodas is 'Not A Member' anymore as he kept re-registering as different posters to try to fool us

[maglev101]

Originally Posted by newhandle

Yes, we are dominant right now, but like all "dominant" cultures - who thinks of the Ottomans anymore at the very gates of Vienna, or the Mongol Empire from the Pacific to the Baltic and Damascus? - all things pass. Anglo domination is just one dominant culture in one given time. This too shall pass. Who knows what will be in 100 years. Of course one could argue that we are one of the causes of the problems in Mexico by our dependence on illegal drugs and our desire to sell weapons to non-US citizens.

excellent post...totally agree.

china (thru numerous dynasties), persia, rome, etc all took turns as the dominant power on earth prior to about the 18th century. britain/spain took over the lead. the baton is currently held by u.s., who might be handing it over to an re-emerging china.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by maglev101

excellent post...totally agree.

china (thru numerous dynasties), persia, rome, etc all took turns as the dominant power on earth prior to about the 18th century. britain/spain took over the lead. the baton is currently held by u.s., who might be handing it over to an re-emerging china.

China has a lot of problems in its own back yard i.e. ca 1 billion with a b poor Chinese vs. 150-200 million affluent ones.

[maglev101]

Originally Posted by ArizonaBear

China has a lot of problems in its own back yard i.e. ca 1 billion with a b poor Chinese vs. 150-200 million affluent ones.

didn't say it could happen overnight. 100 or so years is not that long in historical terms.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by maglev101

didn't say it could happen overnight. 100 or so years is not that long in historical terms.

True that. A lot can happen between now and then.

Although with world population growth leveling off quite rapidly............who knows what 2110 will bring? If it keep dropping as it has been-------it would not surprise me to see more dominant cultures steal young men and women to supplement their 'breeding stock' from weaker societies assuming liberal citizenship offers fail to attract newcomers. The American Indians did that a lot prior to the arrival of the Euros.

[jtur88]

In terms of per-capita GDP, Guyana is the poorest country in South America, and the only one that was a British colony. Belize, formerly British, is about average for Central America, and poorer than Panama and Costa Rica, and only half the GDP of adjacent Mexico. Equatorial Guinea, the only former Spanish colony in Africa, has a PC GDP higher than the African average, much higher than Sierra Leone and Nigeria, but that is a special case with rich resources and low population.

[jtur88]

Originally Posted by Grandstander

For the purpose of fully understanding your position, could you:
A) Identify the "rightful" owners of the lands in question
and
B) Explain how "right" is determined
and
C) Provide some examples of land which is presently held by the "rightful" owners.

Throughout most of American history, the Homestead Law, oversimplifying, generally recognized 'rightful ownership' of a person who made a claim to land and then improved it to a degree that it met some criteria of productive or habitable.

If the spirit of this law is extrapolated to encompass a broader principle, that would suggest that the 'rightful owner' of land can reasonably be deemed to be the claimant who improves it.

[Grandstander]

Originally Posted by jtur88

Throughout most of American history, the Homestead Law, oversimplifying, generally recognized 'rightful ownership' of a person who made a claim to land and then improved it to a degree that it met some criteria of productive or habitable.

If the spirit of this law is extrapolated to encompass a broader principle, that would suggest that the 'rightful owner' of land can reasonably be deemed to be the claimant who improves it.

You're in a different context with that. I'm unaware that The Homestead Act had any sort of application to settling the US/Mexican question of the national ownership of the North American SW.