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Old 07-30-2015, 07:54 PM
 
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So many today have no idea how common and frequent passenger planes were hijacked or bombings carried out around the world including in USA. Many of these terrorist received training from the Soviet Union. Some of those terrorist are college professors today. Is this a part of world history some choose to forget?
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Old 07-30-2015, 08:22 PM
 
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So many today have no idea how common and frequent passenger planes were hijacked or bombings carried out around the world including in USA. Many of these terrorist received training from the Soviet Union. Some of those terrorist are college professors today. Is this a part of world history some choose to forget?
Some of them received Nobel Peace Prize.
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Old 07-31-2015, 12:49 AM
 
Location: Independent Republic of Ballard
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Read Franz Fanon...

There is a distinction to be made between the use of terrorism in response to oppression and as a means towards political liberation (as in Algeria) and its use by authoritarian sectarian zealots who are only looking to force their religious views on others or to punish non-believers.
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Old 08-01-2015, 05:49 PM
 
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Is this a part of world history some choose to forget?
I don't which is why I find myself constantly reminding those that due that the only terrorism that ever existed was Islamic in nature.

Back in the day there were all sorts of organizations who resorted to terrorism and or hijacking of planes, trains and automobiles; well not automobiles but the South Moluccans did hijack a train in Holland.

There were the new-left Japanese Red Army Faction; the German had Baader-Meinhof Group; Italy, the Red Brigade. Fascinating enough the Popular Front For The Liberation of Palestine was non-sectarian. Of course there were the nationalist like the IRA, the PKK and the Euskadi Ta Askatasuna (ETA) both of which are still around and active. In the U.S. we had them in virtually every political shade from white supremacist to Maoist.

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Old 08-02-2015, 02:49 AM
 
Location: Trieste
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I see terrorists back then were more organized, practical and "modern"

Islamic terrorism today, beside the 9/11 (unless that's been a false flag...) looks more naive and primitive
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Old 08-06-2015, 09:56 AM
 
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I see terrorists back then were more organized, practical and "modern"

Islamic terrorism today, beside the 9/11 (unless that's been a false flag...) looks more naive and primitive
I think thats more down to perception then anything. You can say relate more to what an IRA member is saying (understand not agree) and see some depth to it whereas Islamic terrorism is alien and most people shut down at the word islamic.

One aspect thats changed is that the cold war is no longer running. Both sides used to train and equip various groups.
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Old 08-06-2015, 10:29 AM
 
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So many today have no idea how common and frequent passenger planes were hijacked or bombings carried out around the world including in USA. Many of these terrorist received training from the Soviet Union. Some of those terrorist are college professors today. Is this a part of world history some choose to forget?

This is a propaganda weapon called "statement'. One bluntly says something and lets a statement out. Thereafter, it's up to others to prove that statement wrong.
OP tossed something out, specifically - terrorist received training from the Soviet Union. My safe guess is this was seeded in Op's mind back in time when OP was listening to ferocious USA ideological propaganda against the USSR. Please, provide serious, valid proof to your statement. Not another Colin Powell shaking little vial with white something in it, resulting in war type proof. SOLID.
FYI, it is more and more common knowledge that "terrorism" as we know it, is a more or less modern invention by The Elite to keep people in fear and justify loss of rights and freedoms, same time opening doors to proxy country military actions anywhere Elite needs it to. This was planned for centuries and is simply coming to fruition now.

4. IT IS FROM US THAT THE ALL-ENGULFING TERROR PROCEEDS. WE HAVE IN OUR SERVICE PERSONS OF ALL OPINIONS, OF ALL DOCTRINES, RESTORATING MONARCHISTS, DEMAGOGUES, SOCIALISTS, COMMUNISTS, AND UTOPIAN DREAMERS OF EVERY KIND. We have harnessed them all to the task: EACH ONE OF THEM ON HIS OWN ACCOUNT IS BORING AWAY AT THE LAST REMNANTS OF AUTHORITY, IS STRIVING TO OVERTHROW ALL ESTABLISHED FORM OF ORDER. By these acts all States are in torture; they exhort to tranquility, are ready to sacrifice everything for peace: BUT WE WILL NOT GIVE THEM PEACE UNTIL THEY OPENLY ACKNOWLEDGE OUR INTERNATIONAL SUPER-GOVERNMENT, AND WITH SUBMISSIVENESS.

Protocol IX
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Old 08-06-2015, 11:24 AM
 
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This is a propaganda weapon called "statement'. One bluntly says something and lets a statement out. Thereafter, it's up to others to prove that statement wrong.
OP tossed something out, specifically - terrorist received training from the Soviet Union. My safe guess is this was seeded in Op's mind back in time when OP was listening to ferocious USA ideological propaganda against the USSR. Please, provide serious, valid proof to your statement. Not another Colin Powell shaking little vial with white something in it, resulting in war type proof. SOLID.
FYI, it is more and more common knowledge that "terrorism" as we know it, is a more or less modern invention by The Elite to keep people in fear and justify loss of rights and freedoms, same time opening doors to proxy country military actions anywhere Elite needs it to. This was planned for centuries and is simply coming to fruition now.

4. IT IS FROM US THAT THE ALL-ENGULFING TERROR PROCEEDS. WE HAVE IN OUR SERVICE PERSONS OF ALL OPINIONS, OF ALL DOCTRINES, RESTORATING MONARCHISTS, DEMAGOGUES, SOCIALISTS, COMMUNISTS, AND UTOPIAN DREAMERS OF EVERY KIND. We have harnessed them all to the task: EACH ONE OF THEM ON HIS OWN ACCOUNT IS BORING AWAY AT THE LAST REMNANTS OF AUTHORITY, IS STRIVING TO OVERTHROW ALL ESTABLISHED FORM OF ORDER. By these acts all States are in torture; they exhort to tranquility, are ready to sacrifice everything for peace: BUT WE WILL NOT GIVE THEM PEACE UNTIL THEY OPENLY ACKNOWLEDGE OUR INTERNATIONAL SUPER-GOVERNMENT, AND WITH SUBMISSIVENESS.

Protocol IX
Below is one of many sources to back up the claim that the soviets of the 70s were training terrorist groups, both communist and muslim, around the world.
FrontPage Magazine - From Russia With Terror
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Old 08-06-2015, 01:48 PM
 
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State sponsored terrorism is nothing new and the Soviet Union were particularly proficient at it during the cold war. That's a matter of undisputed record, with the KGB head at the time saying this: "today’s world, when nuclear arms have made military force obsolete, terrorism should become our main weapon".
Of course, some will then come in and accuse the US of sponsoring terrorism, but there is no comparison. The Soviet's were experts at it. The Russian guy above, General Aleksandr Sakharovsky, also proudly claimed that aircraft hijacking were his invention.
Arafat and his PLO, "The Jackal", The Sandanistas, Che Guivarra, etc...all just tools of the KGB. They were somewhat involved in the IRA as well I believe, although I think it was minimal.

But, OP, that was all part of the cold war, and the Soviet's lost that war. Terrorism still exists, but it's been modified and new players are involved in the proxy wars of state sponsored terrorism (Iran appears to be the main player in that game now). Many of the groups from the cold war age have modified and gone rogue - Afhiganistan mujahideen, irregular troops trained by US to fight soviets, went rogue and developed into today's radical islamics. Same with Arafat's PLO, no choirboys to begin with. But even those have shadowy vague state sponsorship (usually Iran, Pakistan, or Saudi Arabia).

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Old 08-06-2015, 05:13 PM
 
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Of course, some will then come in and accuse the US of sponsoring terrorism, but there is no comparison.
You are absolutely right, especially when it comes to Pinochet, Somoza, D'Aubuisson, Ramirez Cervantes, the Argentine junta.

For every "terrorist group" there is a "terrorist state." It is damn near Newtonian.

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But, OP, that was all part of the cold war, and the Soviet's lost that war.
I think the victory over the Soviet Union/Russia reminds me of the victory over Michael Meyers - all ten times.

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Terrorism still exists, but it's been modified and new players are involved in the proxy wars of state sponsored terrorism
News flash, state sponsored terrorism is so 80's. One of the reasons why the Bush administration couldn't take al Qaeda seriously and were absolutely convinced of the non-existing ties between al Qaeda and Iraq. Sorry but we are definitely in a new era or transnational terrorism. It's not your dad's terrorists!
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