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Old 03-12-2009, 02:31 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Which means what? Are you saying that the governorship of California is some kind of special qualification for the Presidency? (If so, then you need to be disabused of that notion).
Being the Governor of a state (the most populous state) sure gives a person more experience than being an actor. It's not a "special qualification" but it sure helps. I will also point out that when Reagan left the office of Governor, there was a surplus in the budget. Probably because there was no Congress to deal with.
Other Governors also have become President. Does that mean they had no "special qualification?" Would they have been more qualified working in a factory or an auto parts store?
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Old 03-12-2009, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Other Governors also have become President. Does that mean they had no "special qualification?" Would they have been more qualified working in a factory or an auto parts store?
Just by way of a quick example--serving in the Senate or Congress might be better experience, since in those cases, there is Congress to deal with. And it provides the opportunity to get involved with international as well as national concerns. This is not to downplay the sort of things a governor can bring to the table--particularly a governor of a populous state.

But we are talking about Ronald Reagan in this thread. The same Ronald Reagan who occasionally took nappy-naps during Cabinet meetings. In such case, he could have served as governor of half a dozen states, and it wouldn't have meant anything in terms of his readiness or ability to do the job as President.
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Old 03-12-2009, 04:37 PM
 
Location: "The Sunshine State"
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Ronald Reagan.

No doubt about it.
Absolutely not! It was Bill Clinton, do your research! It should have smacked you right in the face during his presidency! Where were you when he was in office?
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Old 03-12-2009, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Just by way of a quick example--serving in the Senate or Congress might be better experience, since in those cases, there is Congress to deal with. And it provides the opportunity to get involved with international as well as national concerns. This is not to downplay the sort of things a governor can bring to the table--particularly a governor of a populous state.
But a Governor runs the finances of a state, the budget. That is just one example. Another would be handling emergencies and disasters.
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Old 03-13-2009, 02:23 AM
 
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No, that was liberal judges who said they were "okay, nothing wrong with them."
Nationally. However, as governor of California, Reagan deinstitutionalized the mentally ill. Not all mentally ill people are in California even if it seems like it.

As for the air traffic controllers, Reagan's firing of them was shameful, and hypocritical considering that he (rightfully) defended Lech Walesa and the Solidarity movement in Poland. If Walesa had been an American air traffic controller or a British coal miner instead of a Polish dock worker, the right would have hated his (very heroic) efforts.

TBF, more US presidents have been former governors than holders of any other political office.
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Old 03-14-2009, 04:11 AM
 
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Nationally. However, as governor of California, Reagan deinstitutionalized the mentally ill. Not all mentally ill people are in California even if it seems like it.
Is there information about that available?

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As for the air traffic controllers, Reagan's firing of them was shameful, and hypocritical considering that he (rightfully) defended Lech Walesa and the Solidarity movement in Poland. If Walesa had been an American air traffic controller or a British coal miner instead of a Polish dock worker, the right would have hated his (very heroic) efforts.

TBF, more US presidents have been former governors than holders of any other political office
I don't agree. Again, the air traffic controllers did sign a contract which stated they would not go on strike. Reagan had every right to fire them.
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Old 03-14-2009, 03:11 PM
 
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I don't agree. Again, the air traffic controllers did sign a contract which stated they would not go on strike. Reagan had every right to fire them.
That was, of course, Ronald "the Hypocrite" Reagan. Who was a solid Democrat...until he decided that the Republicans served his interests better. Who, during his moviemaking days, served as president of the Screen Actors Guild--a union (involuntary shudder)--but didn't have the slightest scruples about turning against working people the moment it suited him.

Fortunately, he was out of office before anyone could sufficiently organize a movement to amend the Constitution (he was certainly Dubya's hero when it came to subverting that particular document) and arrange it so that he could have run for a third term. Greatest President ever? Not in this universe.
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Old 03-14-2009, 07:50 PM
 
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Again, the air traffic controllers did sign a contract which stated they would not go on strike. Reagan had every right to fire them.
That clause was not in the contract when the strike happened ; Congress formally forbid them from striking after the strike.

Interesting you defend Reagan's firing of the air traffic controllers, as I haven't heard anyone take that position other than at the time the strike happened. Reagan's admirers tend to completely ignore the air traffic controllers' strike. Conservatives still defend Margaret Thatcher's suppression of the mineworkers' union in Britain to this day, but Reagan's actions in the air traffic controllers' strike just isn't spoken about on the right (OTOH liberals, leftists, etc. still discuss it considerably in order to bash Reagan).
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Old 03-14-2009, 08:05 PM
 
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"Governor Ronald Reagan had announced in January 1973 that California would become the first state to close all its psychiatric hospitals except for two used for the criminally insane. California was truly the leader for the deinstitutionalization movement. It would also be the leader for the disaster that followed."

E. Fuller Torrey, "The Insanity Offense", p. 41

Reagan as governor had previously signed the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act of 1967, which accelerated the release of patients from California's mental hospitals, due to the amount of money that internment of the mentally ill cost the state. Said act came into effect in 1972.
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Old 03-15-2009, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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That was, of course, Ronald "the Hypocrite" Reagan. Who was a solid Democrat...until he decided that the Republicans served his interests better. Who, during his moviemaking days, served as president of the Screen Actors Guild--a union (involuntary shudder)--but didn't have the slightest scruples about turning against working people the moment it suited him.

Fortunately, he was out of office before anyone could sufficiently organize a movement to amend the Constitution (he was certainly Dubya's hero when it came to subverting that particular document) and arrange it so that he could have run for a third term. Greatest President ever? Not in this universe.
He was not a "hypocrite." He had the common sense to change from a liberal Democrat to a conservative Republican.

And no president was perfect, so you can't eliminate a president because of some things he did which people didn't agree with. If that were the case, there would be NO "Greatest President."
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