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Old 06-21-2011, 04:17 PM
 
Location: St. Augustine
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I really, really, really, really, really, really, really, doubt that.

I wouldn't be surprised if the groups of young, aggressive men who actually went out raiding didn't contain a large amount of homosexuals; rough trade types of the day like modern leather guys and gay bikers. It's said that wandering Celtic war bands of earlier days contained many gay men and Viking war bands may have had a similar makeup; you know, the male bonding and all that.

There's nothing about being violent and tough that negates homosexuality; look at the Spartans.
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Old 06-21-2011, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Walker, Louisiana (I miss the mountains)
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I wouldn't be surprised if the groups of young, aggressive men who actually went out raiding didn't contain a large amount of homosexuals; rough trade types of the day like modern leather guys and gay bikers. It's said that wandering Celtic war bands of earlier days contained many gay men and Viking war bands may have had a similar makeup; you know, the male bonding and all that.

There's nothing about being violent and tough that negates homosexuality; look at the Spartans.
Well, allow me to clarify my stance here. I don't doubt that homosexual things happened amongst them. What I doubt is that they were %100 strictly homosexual.

Let's not forget, everybody is bisexual to some degree. :P
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Old 06-21-2011, 04:46 PM
 
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Well, allow me to clarify my stance here. I don't doubt that homosexual things happened amongst them. What I doubt is that they were %100 strictly homosexual.

Let's not forget, everybody is bisexual to some degree. :P
I doubt they were 2% homosexual.

Ancient warrior societies generally had a way of putting an end to that...usually unpleasantly.
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Old 06-21-2011, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Walker, Louisiana (I miss the mountains)
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I doubt they were 2% homosexual.

Ancient warrior societies generally had a way of putting an end to that...usually unpleasantly.
With the exception of Greeks.

But as far as I know, you are right about that.
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Old 06-21-2011, 08:14 PM
 
Location: St. Augustine
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I doubt they were 2% homosexual.

Ancient warrior societies generally had a way of putting an end to that...usually unpleasantly.

Don't be so sure, like I said the Celts had a gay thing going and some primitive societies were so macho that relations with men were looked upon as better than those with women who were looked on as inferiors; better to have sex with an equal than an inferior.

John Masters talked about homosexuality among the Pathans of the Raj's Northwest Frontier, a most warlike people, this seemingly rooted in their view of women as property. If you screw a guy's daughter you defile his property and risk a feud but hey, screw the guy's son and it's just boys will be boys.

I've also read about Melanesian male warrior societies that are into homosexual relationships between older and younger warriors.
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Old 06-21-2011, 08:17 PM
 
Location: St. Augustine
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Well, allow me to clarify my stance here. I don't doubt that homosexual things happened amongst them. What I doubt is that they were %100 strictly homosexual.
Reasonable. I get the impression many older cultures were tolerant of switch hitting.
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Old 06-21-2011, 10:12 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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I wouldn't be surprised if the groups of young, aggressive men who actually went out raiding didn't contain a large amount of homosexuals; rough trade types of the day like modern leather guys and gay bikers. It's said that wandering Celtic war bands of earlier days contained many gay men and Viking war bands may have had a similar makeup; you know, the male bonding and all that.

There's nothing about being violent and tough that negates homosexuality; look at the Spartans.
And remember, rape isn't about sexual issues, its about power and intimidation. It's not about sex but about forcing you will on someone who doesn't want it. If in a raid the villagers knew their women would be raped, then it becomes an instrument of terror, just as the slaughter and destruction were. Do all men who rape in prisons consider themselves homosexual if the whole point is to demomstrate power in a personal and destructive way?

If a bunch of Vikings (actually a bunch of young scandanavians going a viking) were all homosexual, this does not preclude using rape as a weapon of terror against their targets.
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Old 06-22-2011, 07:12 AM
 
Location: St. Augustine
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And remember, rape isn't about sexual issues, its about power and intimidation.............
Excellent post.
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Old 06-22-2011, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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Actually, there is scholarship on the subject of homosexuality in Viking-age Norse society, but since this is city-data, it really has no place here :-)

Here is an accessible (easy read) on the subject: Viking Answer Lady Webpage - Homosexuality in Viking Scandinavia
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Old 07-18-2011, 12:10 AM
 
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What sgolide said plus this: in northern Scotland it's well known the Shetlands and Orkneys were ruled by a combination of Scandi-Scots, and the Scottish name Andrews (associated with kings in that part of the world) is so ancient it has no clan association, no tartan associated with it because it's essentially Scandi-Scottish royalty that preceeds the modern notion of clan and tartan. (Any clan-tartan associations mentioned today are done *as if* the marriages had had clans assigned to the sides in the past before the marriages took place).
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