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Old 05-10-2010, 10:23 AM
 
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Will suffice. Bolsheviks have thought up "Mongolia" both have entered Cyrillics and took какието events. Now speak : "to Construct the nation". Bolsheviks were engaged in it.
To take Kazakhstan. Northern Kazakhstan (Astana) Is one of the Cossack territories. And army construction was Cossack : "Tma".
Still an example. China.
At you : China.
At us : Kitai. In those days it meant "It Tai" and area Tailand. In those days China did not exist. Was Tailand.
Still not sure I understand your style of writing. Are you saying the communist's invented the idea of Gehgish Kahn being from Mongolia?
Comparing Cossacks to Mongolians are like comparing Apache to the Souix. Distincltly different tribes but they have connecting roots. Mongolians, like the Cossacks, and all the tribes of the steppes to Asia minor became a horseback culture that fought in skirmish tactics, simply because horses thrived in their environment. The tactics dirived from the common tools available.
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Old 05-10-2010, 10:45 AM
 
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Understand... It is very strange. In a primitive society suddenly there is a technology and suddenly disappears. The society remains primitive. It is very strange. The truth? Then there there is Ivan Grozny. And nomads cannot show resistance. Strange? Agree. Why "Mongols" know names of the European cities. Why know all roads...??? As they houses There. And always lived.
However. Mogol have removed crusaders. In the Mongolian army there were many Christians. They also bowed to Perun and Muhhamed. Hollywood directors will not go to the Russian village to read church books.

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Old 05-10-2010, 10:46 AM
 
Location: New York City
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I have historians and sources. In any churches will not find a mention of newcomers. Answer . You know who has written history about "Mongols"??
One cannot "write" a history of Mongols. Mongol conquests appear in records from Japan to Middle East to Central Europe. What you are writing, however, is conspiracy theories, similar to "Americans never landed on the Moon". It's not history.
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Old 05-10-2010, 01:29 PM
 
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One cannot "write" a history of Mongols. Mongol conquests appear in records from Japan to Middle East to Central Europe. What you are writing, however, is conspiracy theories, similar to "Americans never landed on the Moon". It's not history.
It is not necessary to history. All history - generals and tsars.
I do not write the plot theory.
There are no bones, there are no genes, there is no armour , there are no books. NO. In China can they were. In their Europe was not.
Tsar Peter has brought to Russia the book The book from Germany. In Russia did not know about the Asian conquerors. Probably nomads went to China .
Simply. Yaroslav and Ahmat were at war against China and the Western Europe. In territory of Russia there were no huge armies from desert. In China were.
Bogdan operated army of nomads in China.
Bogdan (Ching-khan) - "God has given". The European person born in Siberia.
Tell. Why in Russia there is no "Mongolian" alphabet? There are no words.
Nomads never created the States and Empires. They lived in family - a patrimonial system.

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Old 05-10-2010, 03:14 PM
 
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I feel we are conversing with Yoda ..."the force, strong it is". This sentence structure in the post above is not familiar to this earthling.

A few comments from the bits and pieces of the above that I understand: Mongolian did not have a written language (which is amazing in itself), thus no "mongolian" alphabet. And as far as Mongolians (nomads) not creating states and empires - well, of course, their purpose of conquering was not really to spread their culture or religion, but to plunder and pillage and to exploit. They really were a culture that faught war for wars sake. Their purpose of life was indeed to "defeat your enemy, see them driven before you, and to hear the lametations of their women". This wasn't the roman empire that wanted to spread the culture of Rome, or the revolutionary armies of France during Napolean that wanted to spread the ideals of the revolution, or the crusades attempting to reclaim lands to convert back to christiandom. They came to Europe, found they didn't like it much (not good grazing ground for their horses), then turned around and went home.

They were also relatively liberal with the countries they conquered in terms of religion, etc (after they did a proper amount of raping and pillaging). Genghis did have laws, one of which indicated that you can practice whatever religion one choses. The result was an empire that was assimilated into the culture they conquered, not the other way around. Their effect are subtle, asian looking eastern europeans, hungarian language with asian sounding phrases, etc. They also weren't particularly skilled builders or artisans, prefering to "outsource" these skills to the local talent.
So of course you won't find religous art, ancient fortresses, elaborate bronze statues, etc remaining of their conquests in Europe, because it was not ingeginous to that culture.
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Old 05-10-2010, 03:32 PM
 
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Ancestors of Hungarians peacefully moved. These nomads cannot win anybody. It is not logical! They peace, because they weak.
Weak always pretends to be peace or says lies. "Mongols" and their governors - Siberian - the slavic invention. There always there was a resistance.
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Old 05-10-2010, 03:42 PM
 
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Yes. Like to speak: It is the Myth, It is the Myth... But. Trust in other Myths. Adapted Myth under a modern society. The best way to humiliate any country - to think up for them the conqueror.
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Old 05-10-2010, 04:20 PM
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Just for the record, I came from Scandinavia.
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Old 05-10-2010, 05:19 PM
 
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I think it would have been havoc for Europe for a good while. However,I think the Mongols would have absorbed European Culture like they did Middle Eastern culture and fit in.
We would all have grown up telling Mongolack jokes.
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Old 05-10-2010, 05:24 PM
 
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We would all have grown up telling Mongolack jokes.
Brad. At modern Mongols "indoeuropean" culture and religion. They could not absorb the another's.
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