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View Poll Results: Abe or FDR?
FDR 3 25.00%
Lincoln 9 75.00%
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Old 06-03-2010, 03:00 PM
 
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He did have some part in it but he carred more about the union than ending slavery.
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Old 06-03-2010, 05:34 PM
 
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Hated Roosvelt's meddling with the economy,felt his recognition that the free world was in grave danger,and his steps to get us involved were necessary.Should have groomed someone to take over in 1944,but his ego wouldn't allow it.Lincoln pragmatically led this country through its greatest trial.BEST EVER,period.
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Old 06-05-2010, 01:57 PM
 
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There is a reason why Lincoln is always ranked our #1 President in several polls across the U.S.was it because he was assasinated? no. look at kennedy or even our first president washington he is always ahead of those guys. for what reason? too many to name. who was the last president who had a nickname with "honest" in it? thats right you have to go back 140+ years.
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Old 06-05-2010, 04:49 PM
 
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I stoped bothering when I read FDR was a communist and Lincoln was wrong for overthrowing the slave owning south. The people who wrote that no doubt were horrified by the civil rights acts in the sixties, another federal intervention which greatly weakened southern state's rights. Or the efforts to ban lynching in the US at the federal level, which were blocked on state rights grounds. State's rights have supported the greatest evils in US history, it has never given us a countervailing moral or economic good.

I will only note that had FDR not saved business and wealth in the US from itself its likely we would have had a class revolution in the US. And then we would have had a true communist (or fascist) state, not the mild intervention FDR put in place.

Despite what some posters wish, we are not likely to go back to the narrow elitist/racist society that was the wonderland the founders left us. Nor even get rid of medicare or social security.

Nuff said.
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Old 06-05-2010, 08:57 PM
 
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I stoped bothering when I read FDR was a communist and Lincoln was wrong for overthrowing the slave owning south. The people who wrote that no doubt were horrified by the civil rights acts in the sixties, another federal intervention which greatly weakened southern state's rights. Or the efforts to ban lynching in the US at the federal level, which were blocked on state rights grounds. State's rights have supported the greatest evils in US history, it has never given us a countervailing moral or economic good.
Legalized abortion isn't a moral good? Equal rights for gays isn't a moral good?
Gay marriage (in a few states) isn't a moral good? The legalization of interracial marriage outside of the South prior to Loving v. Virginia wasn't a moral good?

Trampling roughshod over state's rights have also given the US some of the greatest evils in its history, like Prohibition, the Fugitive Slave Act, the War on Drugs, etc. and some lesser but still significant evils like the results of South Dakota v. Dole and Gonzales v. Raich.

Federal power was also used to enforce the violation of the civil rights of African-Americans, in the Civil Rights Cases and Plessy v. Ferguson.
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Old 06-06-2010, 10:32 PM
 
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Lincoln's example of acting as the sole authority in a time of war was repeated successfully by other presidents, most notably Woodrow Wilson during World War I and Franklin D. Roosevelt during World War II.Far more important than his conduct of war was Lincoln's struggle for peace.He helped turn the institution of slavery from a political issue to a moral one.But at the same time, he insisted on a gradual approach to emancipation. He wanted to make it less an imposition of one region upon another and more a course of action reprsenting the highest ideals of liberty and equality.Lincoln had other successes during his presidency. The Homestead Act made it possible for poor people to buy land. The act helped open up the western frontier for settlement and encouraged business growth following the Civil War.But the war overshadowed everything else during his presidency.
Franklin D. Roosevelt effectively used broad presidential authority to organize massive efforts to combat the Depression as well as the Axis powers. On the homefront, his New Deal programs benefited millions of people and helped restore confidence in the American economic system. While the New Deal did not end the Depression, its progressive legislation brought about many needed changes. Several of the programs were still in place at the end of the twentieth century.
For what its worth in the year 2000 Congressional television network C-Span surveyed fifty-eight presidential historians, asking them to rate presidents in ten different categories. Their overall ranking had Abraham Lincoln on top as the nation's greatest leader.
Generalizations are imperfect, but they can be useful in sorting out the tribes and nations of the planet.The United States stands out in sharp relief for one reason. We are an endless argument. Even as we arrived we were asking ourselves What was the destiny of this place? Arguements bitterly divide us , but they also define, inspire, and ultimately unite us by bestowing legitimacy on hard fought deals.They are the force that makes us whole and who we are.They produced a civil war, racial tribalism and economic competition, but they also produced the freest of socities accomodation between capital and community and Consitution that stands as a beacon even if we sometimes honor it in the breach. Argueing keeps us moving forward.
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Old 06-07-2010, 09:22 AM
 
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Legalized abortion isn't a moral good? Equal rights for gays isn't a moral good?
I am roman catholic...
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Old 06-09-2010, 02:56 PM
 
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I am roman catholic...
In the six years prior to Roe v. Wade, when abortion was legalized nationwide, some states chose to legalize and others kept it illegal.

If you are a Catholic I would think you'd prefer a state of affairs in which abortion was illegal in some US states rather than legal throughout the nation.

Interestingly, the first governor to sign a bill legalizing abortion in 1967 was Ronald Reagan. (He later explained his "flip-flop" on abortion as caused by not anticipating how many abortions would actually take place after legalization in California. The old Beilenson Act which Reagan signed, and which was struck down by Roe, was stricter than Roe - instead of the first trimester it only allowed abortions in the first four weeks of pregnancy.) And the first people to protest legalized abortion were black radicals who thought it was part of a conspiracy to reduce the black population - in fact the protest against Rockefeller signing the bill that legalized abortion in New York was led by a young Jesse Jackson (who would do his own flip-flop on abortion in the 1980s).
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Old 06-11-2010, 04:30 PM
 
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FDR was much more like a emperor ;at least he thought so.
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