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Old 06-03-2010, 05:23 PM
 
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War was mostly about slavery,but mostly about the spread of slavery to the newly acquired and conquered territories.South was afraid that if these territories became free states,the balance in congress would swing against them.That,and also cotton,the primary driver of the southern economy,drained the soil quickly,thus new land was always needed.Most northeners viewed the Mexican War as mostly a land grab for slavery.
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Old 06-03-2010, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Ontario
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It was about preservation of the Union to most of the northerners.
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Old 06-03-2010, 06:06 PM
 
Location: City of Central
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State rights was used by the south to justify and preserve slavery.
This is why you can't debate this topic in a civil manner .
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Old 06-04-2010, 12:21 AM
 
Location: Peterborough, England
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State rights was used by the south to justify and preserve slavery.

Except when they were used by northern ones to try and wriggle out of returning fugitive slaves. For some strange reason, the South was far less keen on it then <g>
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Old 06-04-2010, 06:07 AM
 
Location: San Antonio
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Union General U. Grant made a few statements about the war, claiming that if the war had been about slavery, he wouldnt have led the Union army.

That is a lie.
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Old 06-04-2010, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Columbia, California
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I think many forget that blacks fought on both sides of the war.
Lincoln's first answer was to ship blacks to Haiti. No building supplies or food was provided, years later these men and women were rescued.

As far as state rights. We still have problems with that today. Federal laws often bump hard on state laws, take gay marriage or marijuana laws.

Slavery was coming to it's end even before the civil war. Crop owners had already discovered it cheaper to pay pickers very cheaply, and to not have to house, feed and clothe slaves. Indentured slavery existed much longer, even still exists today.
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Old 06-04-2010, 07:32 AM
 
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I think many forget that blacks fought on both sides of the war.
Lincoln's first answer was to ship blacks to Haiti. No building supplies or food was provided, years later these men and women were rescued.

As far as state rights. We still have problems with that today. Federal laws often bump hard on state laws, take gay marriage or marijuana laws.

Slavery was coming to it's end even before the civil war. Crop owners had already discovered it cheaper to pay pickers very cheaply, and to not have to house, feed and clothe slaves. Indentured slavery existed much longer, even still exists today.
There were no significant groups of blacks who fought for the Confederacy. Until the very end of the war, it was illegal to arm blacks.

Slavery was not coming to an end in the South. The population of black slaves in 1860 was almost 4 million up 23% in ten years.

THIS IS WHY SUCH POSTS SHOULD NOT BE ON THE HISTORY FORUM. THE TOPIC ATTRACTS PEOPLE WHO WILL TELL ANY LIE, AND DISTORT ANY TRUTH TO DENY THE HORROR OF AMERICAN SLAVERY.
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Old 06-04-2010, 09:29 AM
 
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"Between 60,000 and 93,000 blacks served the Confederacy in some capacity. They fought for the same reason they fought in previous wars and wars afterward: "to position themselves. They had to prove they were patriots in the hope the future would be better ... they hoped to be rewarded."

Look up your information before you engage in intelligent conversation. You 1st grade school books told you the story they wanted you to hear because our nation has become a black-sympathetic nation and we dont want it to look like we didnt care about them.

That quote by the way can be found in MANY historical documents. Do the research.
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Old 06-04-2010, 09:36 AM
 
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THIS IS WHY SUCH POSTS SHOULD NOT BE ON THE HISTORY FORUM.
EXACTLY! I don't want to be a history snob, but you get the nuts and kooks from the politics forum that just post any kind of unsupported gibberish, usually only a few sentences. Or the newbies with a revisionist agenda that has nothing to do with history. We are going to have this thread extending out to 10 pages in a few days, 90% of it will be just pure garbage.
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Old 06-04-2010, 09:42 AM
 
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"Between 60,000 and 93,000 blacks served the Confederacy in some capacity. They fought for the same reason they fought in previous wars and wars afterward: "to position themselves. They had to prove they were patriots in the hope the future would be better ... they hoped to be rewarded."

Look up your information before you engage in intelligent conversation. You 1st grade school books told you the story they wanted you to hear because our nation has become a black-sympathetic nation and we dont want it to look like we didnt care about them.

That quote by the way can be found in MANY historical documents. Do the research.
Black were used as laborers for the CSA in the civil war, i.e. - normal slave duties - to dig ditches, construct works, cooks, teamsters, musicians. They did not, except for very rare individual occurances, see combat on the CSA side. They were not armed...

ahh, why do I even bother, this thread will end up with so many historical innacuracies...
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