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Old 06-02-2010, 11:30 PM
 
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Does anyone see the correlation between every event in world history that the United States plays mediator or superhero? No wonder so many people hate us...
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Old 06-03-2010, 07:44 AM
 
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When you say throughout history are you refering to "history" or the past 60 years? I don't think America has took much of a role in anything globally from the Revolution through to WW1. Even after WW1 we went back home and were content to only worry about our continent. It wasn't until after WW2 that the U.S. took on a leading role in world affairs. This came about for several reasons but the most important was that the U.S. was the only western democracy strong enough to oppose the Soviet Union and both sides were rushing to fill the global vacuum left by the final dimantling of the old colonial empires.

From the end of WW2 until the collapse of the Soviet Union, U.S. policy was focused on checking Soviet power and opposing Soviet interests. After the collapse the U.S. was left as the only world superpower a distinction we still have today. We are a capitalist country and we use our influence to ensure friendly governments keep markets open to our businesses and we can secure the resources we need.

In many ways the U.S. is a global empire based on culture and economy instead of outright ownership of the foreign land. We are the worlds largest military and largest economy. If we sneeze the rest of the world catches a cold. If we want our lifestyle and to maintain our position as the world's only (or largest superpower) than we have no choice but to stay involved.
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:04 AM
 
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Does anyone see the correlation between every event in world history that the United States plays mediator or superhero? No wonder so many people hate us...
What correlation? Between the US as world leader and the perception of the US in the world?

World history is a long time, the U.S. has been around for a mere blink in time. As the above poster indicated, US involvement as a world leader only occured after about WW2.

World dislike and distrust (for some, certainly not all, we don't want to generalize) is definetly a result of our position as world leader. But I think it's more of a product of the fall of the Soviet Union. We no longer had that balance, or the need for countries to look towards the US for protection. A good example is Western Europe I believe. When russian nukes and tanks stopped pointing at Western Europe, then *suprise*, these same Europeans didn't need our wall of troops sitting in Germany to protect their @sses. And suddenly, we became the bad guys (again, for some, not for all).
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:12 AM
 
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I mean as the U.S. playing superman in world affairs that do not concern us. Iraq for example; we invaded because we didn't agree with what Hussein was doing. Sure, he killed millions of his people, but so did we, just in another form-sending them to Vietnam.

The United States is somewhat of a frontman for the United Nations in making sure everyone knowns when they are wrong and fixing them.

Look at the Civil War-the United States was hypocritical in saying that the southern cause for independence was unconstitutional when less than 100 years earlier, they had declared independence in the same, if not more radical way.
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:23 AM
 
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This for example: from the Washington Post, via 2004: (on the hijackers of 9/11)
The breakdown was 15 Saudis, one Egyptian, one Lebanese and two from the Union of Arab Emirates (UAE).
None were from Iraq.

How is an invasion of Iraq justified?
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:34 AM
 
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...The United States is somewhat of a frontman for the United Nations in making sure everyone knowns when they are wrong and fixing them....
You would find not a few people in the world, IMO, who think that the UN is the butt-kisser of the United States.
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Old 06-03-2010, 08:59 AM
 
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I mean as the U.S. playing superman in world affairs that do not concern us. Iraq for example; we invaded because we didn't agree with what Hussein was doing. Sure, he killed millions of his people, but so did we, just in another form-sending them to Vietnam.

The United States is somewhat of a frontman for the United Nations in making sure everyone knowns when they are wrong and fixing them.
I think you are trying to start a political debate. There is a politics forum here.

But the UN a frontman for the US? On the contrary, it's become almost the exact opposite.
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Old 06-03-2010, 09:30 AM
 
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This for example: from the Washington Post, via 2004: (on the hijackers of 9/11)
The breakdown was 15 Saudis, one Egyptian, one Lebanese and two from the Union of Arab Emirates (UAE).
None were from Iraq.

How is an invasion of Iraq justified?
Why are you posting current political spin in the History forum?? Are you trolling here?
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Old 06-03-2010, 12:21 PM
 
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This is definitely not "history" and far more "politics and controversy". How about you look at it this way. The U.S. does what it does to expand and protect our economic interests and ensure that we have access to every market we want to be in and access to the resources we need to maintain our lifestyle.

Iraq was not about Saddam. Saddam and his "weapons" were an excuse. The bigger picture was the U.S. projecting force into the center of the Middle East where we could have large numbers of ground troops stationed without angering the extremists in Saudi Arabia (since Iraq is generally secular). Iraq was the perfect choice as it borders Syria and Iran, has a deep water port and the oil is just a bonus. Iraq being a U.S. client state gives us lots of options for dealing with the folks in that neck of the woods we don't like.

Vietnam was all about checking Soviet expansion in SE Asia. While ultimately futile in the case of Vietnam itself, how many other communist countries exist in SE Asia...exactly, none. The revolution was contained and our sphere of influence preserved.

The Civil War is the only thing historical you want to talk about and based on your other posts it would seem that you are a southern apologist who would have preferred a world where the south was allowed to secede and the "gentlemanly" institution of slavery was preserved.
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