What is the difference between ebonics, Black Standard English, and American Black Vernacular? (general, 60's)

[AuburnAL]

These terms were all used in another thread to refer to the Oakland school district's public discussion about replacing or coteaching American Standard English with another version of English. although it seemed that two of the posters thought one or two of the terms were incorrect. Can someone explain the difference? If they are multiple dialects or languages how did they diverge?

[TropicalAussie]

African American Vernacular English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Ebonics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Dd714]

A dialect of english? That's a joke right? It's simply bad english and street slang.

This is really out of scope of this forum, since the whole modern concept of Eubonics was developed for political/racial purposes.

[jtur88]

In the 1960's, blacks were admitted to the mainstream. If any of them don't want to accept the invitation, that's their business. Mainstream English is the language of education in the USA.

[Brandonrchrd]

Originally Posted by jtur88

In the 1960's, blacks were admitted to the mainstream. If any of them don't want to accept the invitation, that's their business. Mainstream English is the language of education in the USA.

I agree.......It breaks my heart to hear other, especially young blacks refer to proper english as "talking white." A lot of blacks have no idea of how much we have contributed to this country, and how much they can and do have that they just haven't realized. It's not about changing who you are, it's about making temporary adjustments to form a certain atmosphere. This atmosphere is professional. Just like black boy ray ray from the south side is expected to dress like he has some class and speak proper english when it's appropriate, white boy bubba ray from the trailer parks is given the same exact expectations.

[ovcatto]

Originally Posted by Dd714

A dialect of english? That's a joke right? It's simply bad english and street slang.

This is really out of scope of this forum, since the whole modern concept of Eubonics was developed for political/racial purposes.

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[AuburnAL]

Coastal Southeastern (Charleston, South Carolina, Savannah, Georgia area)

^I call shenanigans on that. As a southernor who has had to move to Savannah recently I'll say the next person with an accent like this that I meet will be the first. Most folks here are transplants and sound like it. If I go to restaurant its a lot more likely I'll hear the waiter ask me if I want a soda or a pop instead of a coke. You don't even find all that many folks with who speak the southern or african american vernaculars that are common throughout Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia. However, I've never run into anyone speaking the accent like Andy used on The Office during the murder mystery episode.

[ovcatto]

Originally Posted by AuburnAL

Coastal Southeastern (Charleston, South Carolina, Savannah, Georgia area)

^I call shenanigans on that.

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[ABQConvict]

I will concede that there are more than a few African American dialects and that they are as legitimate expressions of language as any other spoken form of English used in America. That said, America, like nearly every other country, behooves itself to teach a standard written form.

Some countries have tried to mandate teaching multiple standards and one always wins out. See Norway for example, the national standard is a written form of the capital dialect and the competing written language is a hodge-podge of every other dialect. This would be the situation in America, too. There is not one African American dialect, so the standard Black vernacular would be compelled to include elements of divergent dialects unless they decided that Louisiana black dialects, or Oakland's, or New York's dialects were the standard.