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Old 11-04-2011, 07:51 AM
 
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Now, as to smoking being over-rated, I'd rather think of it as being over-priced. The rating is in direct proportion to how much the smoker is enjoying it.
Well its true the powers that be, are making it as difficult for people to smoke as possible - which I think is wrong. Although of course as it now, with no smoking in workplaces and inside building is correct - trying to ban smoking in outdoor spaces its wrong.


But here is my point - Smoking, for what you get out of it in my opinion just isn't worth all possible the health consequences, smell and hassle - to a lot of people its just like having a coffee - buts its over rated, over priced and looks more fun than it actually is. Of course nicotine is more addictive/habit forming than caffeine, but its only stimulant at the end of the day - hardly worth all the health consequences for a little booster during the day.


Thats why I thought improved electronic cigarettes are excellent nicotine delivery systems - removing most of the health worries, smell, having to go outside while still giving nicotine boost.

Plus there supplements, herbal remedies, or Chantix, other forms of nicotine delivery - there are much cleaner ways to get a hit/rush/destress without having to take in toxins into your system every day.
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Old 11-04-2011, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Coastal Mid-Atlantic
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I've never understood why people take up smoking. To look cool, to look older, for the taste. How do you know you're done exhaling, when its really cold outside and you can see your breath. Is smoking over-rated? I think the question is. Is the awful way you die from a smoking related cancer, under-rated.
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Old 11-04-2011, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Is the awful way you die from a smoking related cancer, under-rated.

Is there a good way to die?
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Old 11-04-2011, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Coastal Mid-Atlantic
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Is there a good way to die?
No. But you can cut your chances by not smoking.
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Old 11-04-2011, 09:32 AM
 
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No. But you can cut your chances by not smoking.
As Consumers shouldn't smokers be demanding safer and cleaner products, or cleaner nicotine delivery systems - for example drinking coke is full of sugar and calories, now we have diet coke, we have low carb, low cal beers, alcohol free beers, restaurants have low fat options - of course there is electronic cigarettes but these were developed by other companies, not by the tobacco companies.

Smoking is mostly about Nicotine - there is a big opportunity for the company that can mimic the same effect of cigarette in something that is clean, since some 20 to 30 percent of the population still smokes - plus the health implications would be great.

Smoking needs to come into the 21st Century.
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Old 11-04-2011, 09:33 AM
 
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I've heard it said that smoking is similar to picking your nose, only the person doing the act enjoys it.
lol! i agree
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Old 11-04-2011, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Well its true the powers that be, are making it as difficult for people to smoke as possible - which I think is wrong. Although of course as it now, with no smoking in workplaces and inside building is correct - trying to ban smoking in outdoor spaces its wrong.


But here is my point - Smoking, for what you get out of it in my opinion just isn't worth all possible the health consequences, smell and hassle - to a lot of people its just like having a coffee - buts its over rated, over priced and looks more fun than it actually is. Of course nicotine is more addictive/habit forming than caffeine, but its only stimulant at the end of the day - hardly worth all the health consequences for a little booster during the day.


Thats why I thought improved electronic cigarettes are excellent nicotine delivery systems - removing most of the health worries, smell, having to go outside while still giving nicotine boost.

Plus there supplements, herbal remedies, or Chantix, other forms of nicotine delivery - there are much cleaner ways to get a hit/rush/destress without having to take in toxins into your system every day.
The powers that be? They're only responding to pressure from people just like you. Laws and regulations are not passed in a vacuum, they are in response to public opinion, and the smoke-Nazi's are winning the public opinion fight.

Every time you do something like start a thread like this, you just feed the monster. But, since you seem to have so little regard for smokers as human beings, I suppose that's alright with you, isn't it?
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Old 11-04-2011, 10:24 AM
 
Location: Texas
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No. But you can cut your chances by not smoking.
Cut your chances of dying? LOL Good luck with that!

Psssst...here's a tip: You're gonna die from something and you ain't gonna like it.
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Old 11-04-2011, 11:10 AM
 
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The powers that be? They're only responding to pressure from people just like you. Laws and regulations are not passed in a vacuum, they are in response to public opinion, and the smoke-Nazi's are winning the public opinion fight.

Every time you do something like start a thread like this, you just feed the monster. But, since you seem to have so little regard for smokers as human beings, I suppose that's alright with you, isn't it?
Little regard for smokers has Human beings, I have friends that smoke, relatives that smoke, Ok - why is that Smokers take any form of attack on quite frankly a ridiculous habit as the other person is a Nazi.

OK smoking in workplaces or other people homes - How would you like if I came into your house, or office and start burning newspapers, or burning something which left a smell in the air for hours. Smokers don't realise until they quit just how bad they smell.

If you ask me smokers are the real nazis - trying force their disgusting smoke, dirty air on the non smokers, hoping to see more young people smoking for them to justify their ridiculous habit, claiming to be like drug addicts in order to justify their habits - Rejecting all form of Nicotine Replacement - which proves its not about addiction and more about habit. Its the norm to think of smokers as somehow totally enslaved to cigarettes, but there not.

Why should this minority of Nazis force their way over the Non Smoking Majority - Send the smelly smokers out to their Bus Shelters to smoke, don't allow them to smoke on flights, don't allow them to smoke in workplaces.

For too long non smokers have been too accommodating and easy going with smokers because its ingrained in our culture through films and the media, advertising.

We have come to accept this ridiculous habit as the Norm, but its not the Norm - we don't need it.
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Old 11-04-2011, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Texas
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We have come to accept this ridiculous habit as the Norm, but its not the Norm - we don't need it.
So, just like the Nazi book burners, the solution is to destroy that which you don't like or find unacceptable, right?

What's next? Require smokers to wear an identifying patch on their clothes, like the Star of David? Or, how about requiring us to shout "Unclean! Unclean!" as we walk down the street?

Don't worry, though, because there is justice in the world. Soon, people just like yourself will come after you for something you like to do (it's already starting with "unhealthy" foods and restrictions on "obese" people.") What will you do then? To whom will you turn to defend YOUR right to chose?

Heed the prophetic words of Pastor Martin Niemoller, because they WILL apply to us all before it's over and it will be because of intolerant, judgmental people just like you:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out -- 
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out -- 
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out -- 
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me -- and there was no one left to speak for me.
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