How are my fellow shooters coping with the ammo shortage? (price, best)

[Magnum Mike]

Originally Posted by Happy in Wyoming

DHS knows that if they buy all of the primers, we can't.

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When you have the department head of DHS (Napolitano) who believes that conservatives, a clear majority of whom are pro Second Amendment, should be on the department's "watch list", it wouldn't surprise me if they were really buying all the primers.

[Den Mathias]

[quote=NVplumber;9763686]

Originally Posted by Den Mathias

Panic buying due to fear of a ban,hoarders buying stuff up with hopes of reselling at inflated prices, government component buy ups (this one mystifies me..why do they need primers?) lots of factors in this. All I know is it flat sucks.

And, it will probably get worse with the assault on our rights to bear arms.

By the way, what is your opinion of the Ruger 10/22 rimfire rifle? I am looking for a good gopher plinker around my property. It seems like a sweet little rifle.

Any other favorites come to mind?

[rifleman]

Originally Posted by catman

I need to find some more .223. I'm tired of hoarding my ammo and want to shoot up some of it.

I've been diligently looking for it for some of my customers, and no frickin' luck, catman! I have scrounged every last bit of .223 brass which folks used to leave around the desert shooting range near me, but not now. The only stuff left on the ground now is 22 or .17 rimfire empties, and perhaps even they might have some reclaim value eventually, as we move into the cottage industry approach and make our own jacketed bullets.

What a bunch of nonsense this has become! We need to get an absolute denial or affirmation from the gov'mint that they are or are not involved in this. It would not go well for the Baramanistas if it turned out they were tinkering with reloading supplies in the total absence of any supporting legislation.

[Gunluvver2]

I want to thank Obama for making it possible for a lot of us who did not vote for him to become wealthy.

In late October of 2008 when I was sure Obama was going to be elected I started looking for a few good stocks to buy. I figured guns would be the first thing he would go after. Hence SWHC (S&W) and (RGR) RUGER among others looked like they might be good investments.

Were they ever!!!!

GL2

[Den Mathias]

Originally Posted by ecvMatt

I just picked up a case of 800. Luckily, for now, the ammo for my Soviet rifles is still readily available and at a decent price. I pretty much only shoot my Mosins, SKS and AK now a days.

How can you shoot an AK in California? I thought the State had effectively confiscated all assault rifles????

[jdavid93225]

Originally Posted by Den Mathias

How can you shoot an AK in California? I thought the State had effectively confiscated all assault rifles????

They didn't confiscate them (yet), but they did require registration of them several years ago. There are some legal alternatives, though.

California has a requirement that certain weapons that were listed by the DOJ needed to be registered. These weapons were listed specifically by manufacturer and model number. There was a window of opportunity to register these weapons after they were placed on the list.

Besides the list of specific weapons, there is also a general category of "assault weapon" that also required registration, based on certain characteristics defined is SB23. If a weapon was not on the list, but met the criteria based on the characteristics in SB23, it also required registration.

Where this gets tricky is with weapons that were not listed by make and model, and did not meet the SB23 definition of "assault weapon." These weapons are generally considered to be legal if not specifically banned by any other law in California. What has happened over the years is that these legal weapons have, from time to time, been added to the list, and therefore were then required to be registered within a 90 day period from when they were added to the list. Once they were added to the list, and registered as required, they could be modified in any way the owner saw fit, as long as the modifications didn't cause the weapon to become illegal for some other reason, because they now possessed a legally registered "assault weapon" in California.

There are still AK style weapons available in California, that are not on the DOJ list, and do not meet the SB23 criteria for an "assault weapon," so they are considered to be legal according to most of the folks that study such things. The most common alteration for such weapons is the lack of a "detachable magazine." Other altered weapons have become available because they have removed the characteristics that define an "assault weapon" according to SB23.

In a nutshell, you can still legally acquire and own an AK or AR style weapon in California, though there are several legal obstacles that must be overcome in order to do so.

[Den Mathias]

Originally Posted by jdavid93225

They didn't confiscate them (yet), but they did require registration of them several years ago. There are some legal alternatives, though.

California has a requirement that certain weapons that were listed by the DOJ needed to be registered. These weapons were listed specifically by manufacturer and model number. There was a window of opportunity to register these weapons after they were placed on the list.

Besides the list of specific weapons, there is also a general category of "assault weapon" that also required registration, based on certain characteristics defined is SB23. If a weapon was not on the list, but met the criteria based on the characteristics in SB23, it also required registration.

Where this gets tricky is with weapons that were not listed by make and model, and did not meet the SB23 definition of "assault weapon." These weapons are generally considered to be legal if not specifically banned by any other law in California. What has happened over the years is that these legal weapons have, from time to time, been added to the list, and therefore were then required to be registered within a 90 day period from when they were added to the list. Once they were added to the list, and registered as required, they could be modified in any way the owner saw fit, as long as the modifications didn't cause the weapon to become illegal for some other reason, because they now possessed a legally registered "assault weapon" in California.

There are still AK style weapons available in California, that are not on the DOJ list, and do not meet the SB23 criteria for an "assault weapon," so they are considered to be legal according to most of the folks that study such things. The most common alteration for such weapons is the lack of a "detachable magazine." Other altered weapons have become available because they have removed the characteristics that define an "assault weapon" according to SB23.

In a nutshell, you can still legally acquire and own an AK or AR style weapon in California, though there are several legal obstacles that must be overcome in order to do so.

Thank you for the detailed explanation. It is very helpful.
I have always wanted good dependable rifle such as the bushmaster so maybe I can finally get one?

[Huckleberry3911948]

federal gun grab is comin
3 things
support NRA
support state militias
dont use or buy exotic ammo
only common stuff 9mm 12 gauge so forth

[jdavid93225]

Originally Posted by Den Mathias

Thank you for the detailed explanation. It is very helpful.
I have always wanted good dependable rifle such as the bushmaster so maybe I can finally get one?

Check the gun shows in your area. I know I've seen quite a few of the "evil black rifles" for sale at the show in Ventura. The other way to acquire one is to build it yourself, just make sure it complies with California laws. If you go this route, look into the "bullet button" which prevents the magazine from being readily detached. This overcomes the "detachable magazine" feature that partially defines an assault weapon. If you Google the term "bullet button" and add a few key phrases like AR-15 and California, you should be able to find ample information about building your own rifle. Remember, if you build your own, you can build just the lower receiver (this is the part that is considered the firearm), and purchase an upper receiver already built (it is not conisdered a firearm, so it is relatively easy to find and purchase). This is the easy way to build your own.

[Synergy1]

In Florida a Bushmaster .223 is available for around $400-$725 more than it was going for 2 years ago...Ammo, of course, for almost all weapons is scarce. Our Local stores just don't stock .380, 9mm, and .357 or .38 special ammo because we are told they cannot buy it anymore. Every kind of ammo except .223 seems to be on back order and if it comes in the ammo is gone within a half hour or never comes in.....

We visit the gun shows for possible deals but they seem far and too few nowadays. Each of us in our group of Veterans of Vietnam have a reasonable supply of .223 ammo and ammo for our weapons. It seems as though the ranges do not stock ammo any longer so we will be picking up a case of .223 next month and a few more boxes of ammo for our favorite weapons.