Neighbor's dogs (shotgun, bullets, laws, Chicago)

[SVTLightning]

Originally Posted by ReturningWest

I get real tired of the "city" folk who think we are so awful to shoot roaming dogs, I just wonder how they'd feel if they were out here and not only loosing $$$, being threatened by these dogs and their family pets such as their horses and dogs getting maimed and killed by free running dogs.

Turn it around on those city folk, what if it was a dog chasing your kids? (i know kids and animals are not the same but its as close as I can get) most people would not hesitate to shoot the dog. On a farm you don't have kids, but your animals are near and dear to you(either financially or socially)

[jimboburnsy]

Originally Posted by sunsprit

The neighbor's property that we've had dog problems with are anywhere from 1 mile away to 10 miles away, and are not adjacent to our perimeter.

This is a big piece of the pizza that I was missing.

If this is not an adjacent neighbor I'm a little surprised that the dog problem persists, if you catch my drift...

[Faworki1947]

Originally Posted by jimboburnsy

This is a big piece of the pizza that I was missing.

If this is not an adjacent neighbor I'm a little surprised that the dog problem persists, if you catch my drift...

I agree with Jim, at that point there should be no reasonto show mercy ... I would not waste the time .. AND fyi I have two dogs that could be a real problem for critters .. Chyenne a malamute and Hooch a pitbull terrier both very capable of doing severe damage to chickens or livestock ..and other critters .. I KNOW the fate of these two if they were to run or kill livestock and I do all I can to keep them safe and at home

[Ninjahedge]

If you don't let the cat in the birdcage, why is it so hard for people to accept keeping foxes out of the henhouse?

[Andreams]

Originally Posted by sunsprit

My property is in a "fence out" state, where I have the responsibility to fence out unwanted LIVESTOCK from my pastures and fields. And so we have a legally compliant 5-wire barbed wire fence around the perimeter of our place.

However, to "fence out" predator dogs would require ... according to my vet and the county animal control ... a 6' high chain link fence, buried into the ground, and with an electric fence wire at the top and close to the bottom
of the fence.

Hello? my place isn't very big by local standards for a ranch, but I'd need over 5 miles of perimeter fence ... and then I have the problem that a wide creek which can be seasonally very deep (and sometimes just a trickle) must be fenced without obstructing the water flow several places as it crosses into and out of my place.

The BID price to construct this fence was over $8.00/ft, or $42,240 per mile. The property isn't a flat pancake of land, but has gullies, ravines, bluffs, open meadows, tree'd areas, swales, and some flat areas at the edge of my irrigated farmland.

A secondary problem presents in that the winds blow a lot around here and bring in tumbleweeds and debris which accumulates on a barrier fence like this very quickly (indeed, this is even a problem on the barbed wire fences, which are much less of an obstruction). When the debris accumulates, it stresses the fence to failure in a high wind ... and it also causes a build-up of blown dirt in a very short period of time. It's not uncommon for a barrier to build up of several feet high, and in some locations, even a wire fence disappears into the new embankment in a matter of a few years. So, the constant maintenance chore and labor expense to deal with such a fence truly makes it impractical.

If you think I'd consider (let alone economically justify) spending a quarter of a million dollars just to fence out predator dogs ... you've got another think coming. I can load my 30.06 for less than $1 per 150 gr. round ... that's a much better cost/benefit ratio.

Hello, just trying to give you some suggestions, since that is what you came on here to ask for. How am I to know the dimensions of your property? All I was doing was offering some possible humane courses of actions....didn't you WANT opinions? Or were you wanting us all to jump up in our 10 gallons and say "shoot dem dang critters!".

My humble apologizes for trying to solve your problem without killing animals. I will have another "think" next time I try to give you a suggestion.

[1984vt]

I feel for you. I have a homesite in the country and the neighbors there always let their dogs run loose. They have attacked my father while he was getting some equipment from my barn. He jumped up on the back of his pick up and had to beat them with a chain to get them to back off. The problem for the area is that the three that let their dogs run loose are Sheriff Deputies!

Some of the dogs did come up missing after they attacked and killed a new colt one of the neighbors had bought their daughter. The deputies did keep their remaining dogs curtailed for a while but, now they are roaming around again.

[sunsprit]

The extent of this type of "dog problem" is yet even more pervasive than I knew of ...

I was just up working in one of my fields, and the neigbors there waved me over to the fence ... we visited for awhile, and it turns out that we have a "new" neighbor of two weeks in a trailer on a 40 acre parcel building a new house 1/2mile down the road from my neighbor.

The newest neighbors have 3 Labradors, running free 24/7. Yesterday morning, another neighbor out feeding his cows was cornered in his barn by one of the Labs, with a snarling/barking attack. The neighbor escaped by seeking shelter in the cab of his tractor and driving out of the barn.

In view of a perception that Labs are "pretty mellow" dogs, this was an entirely unprovoked attack on a person by a loose dog ... It makes me wonder how those dogs are treated that one would attack a person out doing their chores.

From what I've been told, this dog has been showing aggressive behavior around the cattle ever since the new neighbor moved onto their property, and has been "visited" by the cattle owner to let them know that the dog(s) were not welcome on his property.

At this point, I know what I'd do .... being attacked by a neighbor's dog on my property is absolutely unaceptable under any circumstance.

[sunsprit]

Originally Posted by Andreams

Hello, just trying to give you some suggestions, since that is what you came on here to ask for. How am I to know the dimensions of your property? All I was doing was offering some possible humane courses of actions....didn't you WANT opinions? Or were you wanting us all to jump up in our 10 gallons and say "shoot dem dang critters!".

My humble apologizes for trying to solve your problem without killing animals. I will have another "think" next time I try to give you a suggestion.

I wasn't asking for your perspective on how to solve my unwanted predator dog problems with impractical solutions.

I know how to solve my unwanted predator dog problem, which I've suggested to the OP. It works 100% of the time it's tried, and can work for the OP on their rural property, too.

Thank you, too, for the asinine portrayal of folk in the country trying to protect our property as a bunch of hicks .... I know if you or a family member were attacked in your garage or on your property and your pets or property was being destroyed by a neighbor's loose dog, you'd want "some action, NOW!". Only out here in the countryside with one deputy per 100 sq miles, a government agency response is simply not feasible. Your neighbor is either a responsible dog owner or he isn't ... you aren't left with many choices. No, I don't own a "10 gallon", and I don't speak in the dialects with which you apparently associate with rural people as a mark of ignorance or no rational thoughts. It's pretty clear that you'd rather insult others than have any empathy for their situation. In my view, that makes you something less intelligent than the sh*t I get to wipe off my shoes after taking care of my livestock.

[M3 Mitch]

Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat

In which country do you live? Sounds like someplace in either sub-Saharan Africa or Southern Asia.

And in what country do YOU live? Probably UK or some similar pacifist outfit.

If so, you're welcome for the help we provided in the mid- 40's, too bad you didn't learn your lessons then that those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't...

We Westerners don't go around shooting them that don't need shooting - but when a dog or a man crosses the line - they get what's coming to them. And when the Law shows up - they say "well they got what was coming to them..."

[harry chickpea]

In the country, one motto is "When you need the sheriff right now in an emergency, remember he is only 30 minutes away." When a dog or dogs attack, the REAL America comes out, not the PETA petters.