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Old 05-09-2010, 09:27 AM
 
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^I think that way will lead to stagnation and decline, but I can see how folks would believe it.

There are plenty of transplants down here who follow minor league hockey and some locals such as myself who like the game. Now do I understand the rules? No. However, I can see some of the strategy as far as positioning goes, and I enjoy watching the physical play of the game. The physicality of the game plays very much to Southern culture. The thing is if you just have minor league teams you're slowly going to lose the interest of transplants, and while some locals such as myself became fans through watching the minor leagues an NHL team has the potential to attract a lot more local fans.

The South will always have an uphill battle as far as hockey goes since most of us will never actually even get a chance to play a game. There's no natural ice, and there's very little manmade ice. I can't even skate for crying out loud.

Beyond that there is a prestige thing at stake for the NHL. If the NHL completely writes off major American cities like Atlanta and Houston (moving a team from here doesn't count, but saying no more teams here ever would count) then it becomes hard to take seriously their claim to be a major league on par with the NFL, NBA, and MLB.
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Old 05-09-2010, 08:02 PM
 
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I like your idea of rotating games around the region. Could help generate interest instead of limiting the sport to one city.

Though as I've said on other threads, I think the NHL has already lost prestige in relation to the other major sports leagues and it may be time for them to simply give up on that dream and go back to their bread and butter (in Canada).
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Old 05-10-2010, 11:16 AM
 
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Beyond that there is a prestige thing at stake for the NHL. If the NHL completely writes off major American cities like Atlanta and Houston (moving a team from here doesn't count, but saying no more teams here ever would count) then it becomes hard to take seriously their claim to be a major league on par with the NFL, NBA, and MLB......

Like this post. Remember not too long ago when there were only 3 teams west of Chicago in the US. Not a credible arguement to say you're a major league and/or part of the "big four" with geographical imbalance like that.
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Old 05-10-2010, 12:45 PM
 
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Preservation of the sport in the Southern US, especially Atlanta/Dallas/Phoenix is extremely vital since these city's are growing at an explosive rate, and I'm aware northerners and midwesterners account for most of the influx. The arguement that there's no interest is a false statement, it takes time for a foreign sport to establish itself in a non-traditional market (look at Lacrosse for example).

I believe the NHL is moreso moving in a backwards direction assuming they decide to move the Coyotes back to Winnipeg. Moving a team from a metro of 4 million to one with 700 thousand is definitely not a step forward in my books.

Houston definitely needs to be looked upon, I'd throw one of the Florida teams over there.
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Old 05-10-2010, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Preservation of the sport in the Southern US, especially Atlanta/Dallas/Phoenix is extremely vital since these city's are growing at an explosive rate, and I'm aware northerners and midwesterners account for most of the influx. The arguement that there's no interest is a false statement, it takes time for a foreign sport to establish itself in a non-traditional market (look at Lacrosse for example).

I believe the NHL is moreso moving in a backwards direction assuming they decide to move the Coyotes back to Winnipeg. Moving a team from a metro of 4 million to one with 700 thousand is definitely not a step forward in my books.

Houston definitely needs to be looked upon, I'd throw one of the Florida teams over there.
I think as others have said that the NHL has already lost a lot of the little prestige it already had. There may be some southern cities that haven't been tried yet that may be viable (eg Houston) and I certainly would not advocate taking teams out of places like Dallas, etc. just because they are in the south. But there are a lot of places in the south that obviously are not working and the NHL should cut its losses in these places. The time has come for a return to hockey's roots in more northern climes, including cities in Canada like Quebec City and Winnipeg, and perhaps a few other larger non-NHL cities in the northern states.
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Old 05-10-2010, 09:23 PM
 
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Preservation of the sport in the Southern US, especially Atlanta/Dallas/Phoenix is extremely vital since these city's are growing at an explosive rate, and I'm aware northerners and midwesterners account for most of the influx.
Yeah, but these transplants, if they even care about hockey to begin with, aren't probably switching allegiances to the team in their new locality. If anything, at best, you're only going to get them to come to the arena a few times a year to see their old team play. You do see a lot of Wings fans in Phoenix, for instance.
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Old 05-12-2010, 10:36 AM
 
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Yeah, but these transplants, if they even care about hockey to begin with, aren't probably switching allegiances to the team in their new locality. If anything, at best, you're only going to get them to come to the arena a few times a year to see their old team play. You do see a lot of Wings fans in Phoenix, for instance.
I am not averse to expanding hockey to new markets, including those in the southern U.S. However, expansion of any sport should not come at the expense of the game's roots. You shouldn't be building up soccer by taking clubs out of Manchester and Liverpool and moving them to Kentucky and West Virginia, any more than you should expand the reach of American football by moving the Green Bay Packers to Mexico City.

Adding new branches at the top of the tree while weakening its roots makes absolutely no sense.
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Old 05-12-2010, 10:52 AM
 
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How is it at the expense of the roots? ..because we lost a couple reasonably young Canadian teams? Fact of the matter is, they were struggling and Bettman had to act on it. I'd consider the roots as the original 6 teams, and they remain unscathed to this day.
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Old 05-12-2010, 12:57 PM
 
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How is it at the expense of the roots? ..because we lost a couple reasonably young Canadian teams? Fact of the matter is, they were struggling and Bettman had to act on it. I'd consider the roots as the original 6 teams, and they remain unscathed to this day.
I cannot disagree that the Original Six are the heart and soul of the NHL. However, I see "roots" of a sport as not just related to clubs, but to regions as well.

In any event, the Jets and Nordiques as well as the Whalers were founded as pro hockey clubs around the same time as the Miami Dolphins and New Orleans Saints were founded as pro football clubs. I don't think anyone would refer to the Dolphins, Saints, Seahawks, Buccaneers and Falcons as johnny-come-latelys...
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Old 05-12-2010, 10:54 PM
 
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Agreed. The NHL should have never moved its franchises out of WPG, HFD, and QBC.
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