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Old 05-04-2010, 11:20 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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GROUP 3!?!?!?!?!?!!!!

Are you serious?!!?! Half the teams in group three shouldn't even be in the NHL anymore, and half of those places are the reason why Buffalo has a huge fan base.... This is an opinionated organization. As previously stated Bettman maybe wrote this.. Wait he didn't though, because if he did Washington and Pittsburgh would be 1 and 2.
As I categorized Group III in my original post...

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The "Defiant Dozen" are teams that have found success in non-traditional hockey markets, or developed solid fan support despite a lack of championships.
Whoever said I thought of Calgary, Ottawa or Vancouver as "non-traditional" hockey markets? POP QUIZ: how many Stanley Cup championships do those three teams have between them? Zero.

They're in solid hockey markets, and they have good fan support despite never having won any championships. Now what was it I said when I categorized Group III again?

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The "Defiant Dozen" are teams that have found success in non-traditional hockey markets, or developed solid fan support despite a lack of championships.
Oh yeah! Reading comprehension RULZ!
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Old 05-05-2010, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Buffalo, NY
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This is how I envision the NHL hierarchy...

TIER III: The "Defiant Dozen"

- Anaheim Ducks
- Calgary Flames
- Carolina Hurricanes
- Dallas Stars
- Los Angeles Kings
- Minnesota Wild
- Ottawa Senators
- St. Louis Blues
- San Jose Sharks
- Tampa Bay Lightning
- Vancouver Canucks
- Washington Capitals

The "Defiant Dozen" are teams that have found success in non-traditional hockey markets, or developed solid fan support despite a lack of championships.
Yes but Tampa, Dallas and Carolina may have won the Cup, but that was all luck. Becuse they still have a horrible fan base.
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Old 05-05-2010, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Dallas actually has a pretty strong fanbase, probably the strongest of the southern teams.
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Old 05-05-2010, 01:37 PM
 
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As I categorized Group III in my original post...

Whoever said I thought of Calgary, Ottawa or Vancouver as "non-traditional" hockey markets? POP QUIZ: how many Stanley Cup championships do those three teams have between them? Zero.

Oh yeah! Reading comprehension RULZ!
You certainly are sarcastic to everyone else, when your data contains errors.
To answer your pop quiz, . . . each of the 3 teams you mentioned have made it to the finals, . . . AND CALGARY WON THE STANLEY CUP IN 1989. (4-2 over Montreal)
So, . . . zero ???? between the 3 teams???? is erroneous !
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Old 05-06-2010, 06:51 AM
 
Location: Philaburbia
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HOW can you say that, . . . Calgary, Vancouver, Ottawa and Minnesota are NON-TRADITIONAL Hockey markets????!?!?!?! This is PREPOSTEROUS ! !
Not to mention downright ignorant.
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Your list is as biased as Bettman. Did he write this for you???!?!?!?!
LMAO.
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Old 05-06-2010, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Buffalo, NY
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Dallas actually has a pretty strong fanbase, probably the strongest of the southern teams.
Yeah i hated to include Dallas but i am from Buffalo and we still cant get over the NO GOAL. lol but still they don't have that much as teams in the North.

Furthermore didn't Vancouver win the Cup once too?
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Old 05-07-2010, 06:33 AM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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Furthermore didn't Vancouver win the Cup once too?
Nope.
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Old 05-09-2010, 05:38 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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Not to mention downright ignorant.

LMAO.
I'm ignorant? You're the one who thinks 12.6 million people in one state are all in lock step with each other, and I'm ignorant? *LMAO*

By the way, if you would have read further, you would have realized that I never considered Minneosta, Vancouver, etc. to be non-traditional hockey markets necessarily. Now please put the stone down; I don't want your house shattering into trillions of pieces.
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Old 05-21-2010, 07:38 PM
 
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I have to back-up whoever said Dallas has a very strong fanbase. I'd also add Buffalo into Tier II.

Pittsburgh belongs in Tier I.5 .....their first team in the NHL was 1924 and Pittsburgh was a hockey hotbed before a few of those Tier I cities. They were the first place to actually pay players to play even before any Canadian city/team.
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