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View Poll Results: Who is your favourite fighter?
Andrew Peters 0 0%
Eric Godard 0 0%
Riley Cote 4 25.00%
Jody Shelley 0 0%
Trevor Gillies 1 6.25%
Ben Eager 0 0%
Brad May 0 0%
Wade Belak 0 0%
D.J. King 0 0%
Jared Boll 0 0%
Chris Neil 0 0%
Shawn Thornton 0 0%
Colton Orr 2 12.50%
Darcy Hordichuk 1 6.25%
David Koci 0 0%
Brian McGrattan 0 0%
Derek Boogaard 5 31.25%
Zack Stortini 1 6.25%
Brad Staubitz 0 0%
Paul Bissonnette 0 0%
Raitis Ivanans 0 0%
George Parros 1 6.25%
Krys Barch 0 0%
Eric Boulton 0 0%
Zenon Konopka 1 6.25%
Voters: 16. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 05-17-2010, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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Whats needless to say is that your conclusions are way off base but I'll say it anyway......Your conclusions are way off base !!! Shoulda, coulda, woulda, maybe, might, possibly all mean nothing in wondering what Schultz might accomplish today. The bottom line is that Schultz did score 20 goals at the peak of the clutching, grabbing, hooking and interference era of the NHL. If, by your own admission, Crosby would score much less back then it makes Schultz's accomplishemts of 20 goals all that more significant. While intimidation isn't as great of a factor today it still remains a factor and being a physically intimidating player gains you time and space that a Crosby just doesn't get. As far as the "illegal goon crap" goes it was part of the game back then and the NHL clearly looked the other way in allowing it to happen through the the expansion years until enough talent was developed to supply the new teams. The "illegal goon crap" wasn't legal back then either as evidenced by Schultz's record 472 penalty minutes one year but the Flyers had excellent penalty killing and it was rare when Schutz went to the penalty box alone....it takes two to fight so he didn't put his team down a man all that often. Finally, having a physically intimidating enforcer that can score 20 goals is every GMs dream and Schultz did just that. As far as what the game has evloved into today....well.....at last check it seems that EVERY team still has at least one player thats considered an enforcer to trot out the "illegal goon crap" when needed.
Today most teams do have at least one enforcer. Philly had a team full back then. Crosby can score what he does today because he knows guy aren't going to practically take a bat to him. A wuss like him would have been afraid to be clobbered back then so it doesn't take away from his scoring ability but shows what a bunch of goons on one team, what affect they would have had. When it came to fighting there was no instigator rule either, so as long as someone else was involved, Schultz knew it would be him and an opponent in the box. If teams weren't so afraid of being assaulted daily, Schultz would have had quite a few less goals. Think now......more rules against enforcers, kind of handicaps their dirty play. So this should limit them to to actual hockey ability at times. So Domi's 15 is rather good. Schultz with less rules made it easier for him.
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Old 05-17-2010, 05:22 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Today most teams do have at least one enforcer. Philly had a team full back then. Crosby can score what he does today because he knows guy aren't going to practically take a bat to him. A wuss like him would have been afraid to be clobbered back then so it doesn't take away from his scoring ability but shows what a bunch of goons on one team, what affect they would have had. When it came to fighting there was no instigator rule either, so as long as someone else was involved, Schultz knew it would be him and an opponent in the box. If teams weren't so afraid of being assaulted daily, Schultz would have had quite a few less goals. Think now......more rules against enforcers, kind of handicaps their dirty play. So this should limit them to to actual hockey ability at times. So Domi's 15 is rather good. Schultz with less rules made it easier for him.
I didn't hear you crying "goon" and "dirty play" when the Flyers came into the league in 1967 and were beaten up on a nightly basis.....that apparently was ok with you.....this only seems to be a problem for you when the Flyers got tired of being kicked around and built a team that wasn't going to be intimidated anymore.....you seem to resent that in an era when intimidation was a major factor in winning games the Flyers were able to perfect the role and do it better than anyone else. Even today when teams are searching for that balance of speed, skill, skating ability and toughness EVERY team still has a roster spot for a proven enforcer. An enforcer like Schultz with the ability to score would be highly desired by EVERY GM. Could Domi fight ? Sure.....but most times he fought at the WRONG time hurting his teams chances to win the game.....thats why he was traded around so much.....that and his lack of ANY scoring ability. Domi was just an idiot with an IQ equal to the amount of goals he scored. Schultz scored 20 goals despite sitting in the penalty box 470 minutes, playing on the 4th line and never playing the power play.....please don't even attempt to compare Domi to Schultz because thats laughable on any level.
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Old 05-17-2010, 10:16 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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I didn't hear you crying "goon" and "dirty play" when the Flyers came into the league in 1967 and were beaten up on a nightly basis.....that apparently was ok with you.....this only seems to be a problem for you when the Flyers got tired of being kicked around and built a team that wasn't going to be intimidated anymore.....you seem to resent that in an era when intimidation was a major factor in winning games the Flyers were able to perfect the role and do it better than anyone else. Even today when teams are searching for that balance of speed, skill, skating ability and toughness EVERY team still has a roster spot for a proven enforcer. An enforcer like Schultz with the ability to score would be highly desired by EVERY GM. Could Domi fight ? Sure.....but most times he fought at the WRONG time hurting his teams chances to win the game.....thats why he was traded around so much.....that and his lack of ANY scoring ability. Domi was just an idiot with an IQ equal to the amount of goals he scored. Schultz scored 20 goals despite sitting in the penalty box 470 minutes, playing on the 4th line and never playing the power play.....please don't even attempt to compare Domi to Schultz because thats laughable on any level.
I wasn't complaining in 1967 because I was yet to be born. That would be 4 years later, so sorry to kill your theory there. I have studied the changes in the game and in the early days it was different. So let me ask you a question. Is it easier for a modern day player to be given less rules to play under or a older player to give them more rules? My team wasn't even one of the originals. Face it Schultz performed well in a league with few rules. Domi was no brain surgeon but he could scrap with the best.
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Old 05-17-2010, 10:37 PM
 
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Basil McRae, enough said.
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Old 05-18-2010, 03:13 AM
 
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Basil McRae, enough said.
Good choice,but wrong thread:
Here is the alltime poll.
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Old 05-18-2010, 02:04 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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I wasn't complaining in 1967 because I was yet to be born. That would be 4 years later, so sorry to kill your theory there. I have studied the changes in the game and in the early days it was different. So let me ask you a question. Is it easier for a modern day player to be given less rules to play under or a older player to give them more rules? My team wasn't even one of the originals. Face it Schultz performed well in a league with few rules. Domi was no brain surgeon but he could scrap with the best.


You can study as much as you wish but its just not the same as witnessing it all unfold over the years in person. The "atmosphere" in the hockey world was different back then too.......something that no amount of "studying" will allow you to experience or even begin to comprehend. Clearly the older players who played under less rules but were hampered by the clutching, grabbing, hooking and interference would score more today with more freedom to exercise their talents.....thats a no brainer. The only reason Domi was even in the league was because a certain number of "goons" were needed when the league expanded and he was a marginally "qualified goon". Part of fighting is knowing when to fight and Domi was a hot head who often fought at the wrong time putting his team at a disadvantage.....once the "instigator" rule came into affect no one wanted him. For the last time Schultz was "the" heavyweight in a world of heavyweights. Despite sitting in the penalty box for 470 minutes a season and playing on a 4th line when the coach could give him ice time and playing in a game burdened with constant clutching, grabbing, hooking and interference he still scored 20 goals.........thats an incredible accomplishment. Since you've done a lot of "studying" perhaps you might be able to give a short list of other players who can offer those statistics.......how about even one ????
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Old 05-18-2010, 02:14 PM
 
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Since you've done a lot of "studying" perhaps you might be able to give a short list of other players who can offer those statistics.......how about even one ????
This is a challenge I have to take on
Daniel Shank hockey statistics & profile at hockeydb.com
But Shank wasn't much of a fighter,he just collected lots of penalty minutes.
In the NHL it would probably be Williams,Secord and Plett....
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Old 05-18-2010, 02:48 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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This is a challenge I have to take on
Daniel Shank hockey statistics & profile at hockeydb.com
But Shank wasn't much of a fighter,he just collected lots of penalty minutes.
In the NHL it would probably be Williams,Secord and Plett....

Show me ONE that had 470 penalty minutes and scored 20 goals while playing limited minutes on a 4th line ?
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Old 05-18-2010, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Sweden
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Show me ONE that had 470 penalty minutes and scored 20 goals while playing limited minutes on a 4th line ?
I don't know what lines they played.
There were no NHL hockey in Sweden when those guys played.
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Old 05-18-2010, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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Crosby would have been fine in the 70s-80s because he would have had a Dave Semenko type on his line just like Gretzky did at his peak.
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