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Old 04-01-2011, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Birmingham
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This is a hot looking mid-sizer, but I dunno...it is a Kia. Not to sure about a Kia.
Seems like a sideways step to me to go from a FWD midsize car to another FWD midsizer. Even though the KIA comes with a turbo in some trim levels I believe it has direct injection which makes it tough to mod. Plus it is calibrated for fuel economy, it isn't a performance oriented machine like the Si or the Evo.

You should probably just stick with your Fusion.
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Old 04-01-2011, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Kentucky
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I've got a long time to think about it anyway. Can't get a car built from Honda right now. That's OK though. The Japanese people have A LOT more to worry about than cars.
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Old 04-01-2011, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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Really a Mugen, that is what you post, a $35,000+ Civic? Do you know the other vehicles you can have for $35,000? Shall we post other modified vehicles?

We can't even get a Mugen Civic here, so its a dumb video to show. He would have to buy those overpriced parts and put them on.
Wow, chill out, dude. The guy had menioned wanting to modify the car, and so I posted a video of what's basically a modified Civic 4-door with a K20 just like what he's thinking of getting, to highlight what you can do to it if you want to get into modding. Mugen is overpriced, but there are US-based companies like Skunk2 that make parts of equal quality for much less, so you can easily achieve the same means.

Furthermore, you can get a Mugen Si over here. They released a limited run of them in '08.

Other than styling, it's got a different header and exhaust, as well as suspension, all of which you can purchase for any other Si. The Mugen RR, in the video, which is admittedly hotter, is described thus:
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Take this very special Civic Type-R, for example, or as Mugen has renamed it, Mugen RR [pronounced "moogen (not moo-jen) double R"]. It's a very limited edition CTR that you can order only through Mugen that comes with equipment developed by Mugen. As cool as the US edition Mugen Si is, sadly it just can't compare to the JDM version. The K20A in this chassis pushes out 240 ps (243 hp) at 8,000 rpm with 22.2kgm (160 lb-ft) at 7,000 rpm while a standard Civic Type-R does 225ps (228 hp) at 8,000 rpm with 21.9 kgm at 6,100 rpm (158 lb-ft). Mugen was able to extract more power out of the K20 by giving it new camshafts, stiffer valve springs, a ram air intake that comes straight from the front grille and into a larger capacity intake box, a 4-2-1 exhaust manifold, higher flowing catalytic converter and a dual exhaust system. Mugen RR also goes two seconds quicker around the Tsukuba circuit than the Civic Type-R with a lap time of 1:00.600.
Bolt-ons and simple bolt-ins. The guy mentioned modding, I have him a fair example of what you can do with a K20-equipped Civic sedan. End of discussion.

I like the Civic Si sedan (more than the coupe) and if I'd certainly consider one in the low $20k's, but if I were looking to spend around $35k on a hot 4-door, I'd probably be looking at an Evo or the new STi sedan, or save up a few grand more and wait a few more months to pick up a used M3 sedan. But he didn't ask about that.
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Old 04-01-2011, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Kentucky
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Oh, upon looking at the Mazdaspeed3 online, I ruled it out just from the interior. That red blend look is awful. The engine is awesome though. Lots of torque steer from what I read. Not a plus.

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Old 04-01-2011, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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Oh, upon looking at the Mazdaspeed3 online, I ruled it out just from the interior. That red blend look is awful. The engine is awesome though. Lots of torque steer from what I read.
The previous Mazdaspeed3 looked way better. That ridiculous ****-eating grin of a bumper is way over the top, and the turbo scoop doesn't help. Too bad, cause they're great little performers for that segment.
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Old 04-02-2011, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in Kentucky
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Here is another player in my lineup:

http://autocartrends.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/volkswagen-gti-2011.jpg (broken link)

It's turbo, hot looking and mod-able in the future. One drawback is a cast iron block. Didn't know auto manufactures still used those. Also, it has a DSG tranny. Not sure if those are good or bad.
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Old 04-02-2011, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Birmingham
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A cast iron block is actually preferred amongst tuners for its durability. However, the new aluminum blocks in tuner cars have enough strength for most people's power needs. With FWD you probably aren't going to want much more then 300whp and most iron and aluminum blocks can easily handle that.

The DSG is just a matter of choice some like it some prefer a traditional manual. I have heard the VW's DSG has been plagued with problems, but I'm not into those cars at all so you may want to find a VW board and see what people/tuners are saying. There is a pretty big 1.8t/2.0 tuner scene and I see a lot of them at shows and those cars look good to me hooked up and stock. I just have never been impressed by VW reliability particularly in their electrical systems.
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Old 04-02-2011, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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get a 4-door hyundai genesis sport

YouTube - 2009 Hyundai Genesis Review
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Old 04-02-2011, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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YouTube - North American Car of The Year 2009 Hyundai Genesis
a 28-30K luxury RWD sport sedan that rivals cars that sell for over 60K and a 10 year,160,000 mile factory warranty
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Old 04-02-2011, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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YouTube - Hustlecars! 2011 Mustang V-6 vs 2010 Genesis Coupe 3.8 vs 2010 Camaro RS vs 2010 Challenger SE
there is the genesis 3-door coupe version it runs with the V-6 pony cars
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