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The light just doesn't look good. It feels like being in a hospital room.
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It's not perfect but I find the warmest color temp ones are not appreciably different than a typical soft-white incandescent. I don't use them bare; they're always behind a shade of some sort. Gone are the days where you have to settle for only the cool pure white bordering on blue. Heck, for an example of this, just compare the warmer lighting in Target to the cooler lighting in Walmart.
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And they take longer to warm up in cold weather. I really hope LEDs does better in these areas.
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I only notice an issue when they're actually out in the cold. In the garage I have typical 4-foot tubes. If it gets cold enough in there, they don't start right at all. But it has to get pretty cold out before it gets that cold in there. In the house I've never noticed such an effect, down to about 65 degrees which is about as cold as it gets in here.
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What if you decide to move? Do you leave the CFLs in the sockets or replace them with incans?
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I'd care about this with the current price of LEDs. With the CFLs at a few bucks, I doubt I would bother changing them out of the permanent fixtures. If I was renting and moving often, maybe I would have to reconsider.
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Have you factored in the cost of disposal? Or the cost of the CFLs being made overseas and the toll that takes on the economy?
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Do you do this with everything you buy? If so, that's great, and I agree that we should pay more attention to this. If not, then bringing it up here does not make any useful point.
Even so, in the case of manufacturing, the incandescents are also made overseas. In the case of disposal, it now seems to be included in the cost I've already paid (I can take the bulbs back to HD or Lowe's, no big cost unless I'm making a special trip). Are you meaning to study the complete environmental difference as well? Certainly we should put that into play if the economic differences are in play.
My reference above, as you probably know, was to my personal out of pocket cost, the simple pocketbook bit. If you want to talk "greater good"-type costs it might come out differently, but it's no good without considering all aspects of the greater good.
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It's been a while for a recent sampling for me at Walmart; always possible that they could change something. (I believe another direct atmospheric difference you'll notice is sound; Target has no overhead announcement and no music.) But it doesn't need to be Walmart. Just pick about any large box store and it's the same cool whites they've been using for decades. I think maybe B&N may have warmer lights, although the atmosphere in there may come more from the carpet and other surfaces. Above a certain size they may have little choice. In most warehouses like HD/Lowe's/Costco/whatever they are using a different fixture altogether which possibly limits the color choices, not sure. But most stores using tubes still seem to use cool ones when clearly they don't have to.
