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Old 05-09-2015, 11:11 AM
 
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Yuck. Dishwashers don't just clean they also sanitize. Hand washing does not sanitize because human hands can't take the temperatures required. You are deluding yourself if you think you are using clean dishes when you hand wash.


I loved my whirlpool. When it died I got talked into a Bosch. It was terrible.
This is the reason one wears gloves and uses all hot water, to sanitize.

We will never have a dishwasher, wasted kitchen space, wasted water, wasted time, and if one cannot take the time to wash dishes no matter what the reason, one should use paper plates.

It is just the two of us and if I wanted to I could leave dishes for a week and still only take about 10 minutes to wash them. I don't do that but after any meal it takes less than 5 minutes to wash the dishes we have used.
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Old 05-09-2015, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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10 minutes of running water to wash dishes equals about 20 gallons of water. That's the same as running a dishwasher 5 times.

Before energy efficient dishwashers, the difference in water consumption was not so stark. But with newer dishwashers, anyone who says they use more water is simply uninformed.

Built In Dishwashers vs. Hand Washing: Which is Greener? : TreeHugger
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Old 05-09-2015, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Canada
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I have a basic Kenmore. No stainless steel interior, just plastic. Doesn't have tons of settings. I just use the smartwash setting all the time. Dishes get cleaned. I think it was $499. I've had it for 5 years.
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Old 05-09-2015, 01:52 PM
 
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Whirlpool or Maytags are good.
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Old 05-09-2015, 02:34 PM
 
Location: Florida
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This is the reason one wears gloves and uses all hot water, to sanitize.
Proper sanitizing requires temperatures over 160 degrees.

Your hot water heater cannot give you that temperature, nor could your hands withstand that temperature.

Again, there is a difference between clean and sanitize. You are eating off dirty dishes. Don't delude yourself otherwise.

Don't believe me, look it up.
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Old 05-09-2015, 02:44 PM
 
Location: Spring Hill, Florida
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Had a Kitchenaid (Whirlpool) at the old house and loved it. Current house has a Frigidaire and we are less than pleased. It just doesn't clean was well. But, it matches everything else in the kitchen (previous owner bought a "package" before listing the house for sale), and it't not a big enough deal to justify spending money on one. If I catch a really good sale on a nice unit, I may buy it and sell the Frigidaire on craigslist to get some of my money back.

Years ago I had a Kenmore in a house that I rented and it was decent, no real complaints.

Having owned ones with both plastic and stainless tubs, I will never again own a unit with a plastic one.

Home Depot has a Maytag (same company as Whirlpool now) with a stainless tub for around $500 (black or white exterior -stainless is more) and it has great reviews.

Maytag Front Control Dishwasher in White with Stainless Steel Tub and Steam Cleaning-MDB4949SDH - The Home Depot
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Old 05-09-2015, 03:36 PM
 
Location: City Data Land
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Yuck. Dishwashers don't just clean they also sanitize. Hand washing does not sanitize because human hands can't take the temperatures required. You are deluding yourself if you think you are using clean dishes when you hand wash.


I loved my whirlpool. When it died I got talked into a Bosch. It was terrible.
LOL. Sanitizing is another word for cleaning. Besides, if the dishwasher doesn't get the food off, and much of the time it doesn't, it still doesn't do any good anyway? Also, I have yet to have gotten ill from all the thousands of times I have hand washed my dishes (and neither have our mothers, fathers, siblings, and grandparents who didn't have dishwashers either).

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dishwashers save a LOT of water.
That's quite possibly true. But they are still electricity hogs, and they still require soap that is far more expensive than hand soap. (Plus all that other stuff like diswasher cleaner and spot remover). And let's not forget OP's original question. He/she wants a dishwasher that's less than $600. So there's $600 of expense even before the thing is driven off the lot However, I realize that many families believe they are indispensable. My grandmother told me that my cousin had an expensive model that had a built-in garbage disposal so she didn't even have to rinse the dishes first. I'm not sure if that's true, but if they exist, those types could be very helpful for sure.
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Old 05-09-2015, 04:13 PM
 
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All your comments are so interesting; I love hearing your different perspectives on the subject!
Your comments and my own research are leading me to think the best way to go is a Kenmore, Maytag, or Whirlpool lower end model but with a stainless innards.
I have to go to Home Depot tomorrow to pick up paint, so will detour through the appliance section and see what they have.
I appreciate all your input- so helpful to get information from people who have more experience than I do with this
Oh, and thank you for all the helpful links- I will go through them later tonight- great input!
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Old 05-09-2015, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
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I buy the basic dishwashers. I have yet to have a problem with mine. It's a Frigidaire. I think it was 350-400 bucks. It's quiet, it works well. The last one was original 1979 model. I replaced it with the current one 5 years ago because I was remodeling and the old one would look bad on a full remodel. And the gasket was starting to weep and I couldn't find a replacement.
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Old 05-09-2015, 06:01 PM
 
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BE SURE IT FITS! I'm not a dishwasher expert but I'm a facilities/maintenance type of gal. Get a tape measure and make sure the new one will fit or the honeymoon will be over.
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