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Old 07-09-2019, 10:51 AM
 
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Why does the richest nation in the world build such shoddy houses? The poor quality of American housing is quite frankly disgraceful. OSB, really? Fine for a shed or temporary dwelling, not a house. Asphalt roof shingles? Again, not acceptable for a human dwelling- a bird/doghouse sure. European nations would never allow their homes to be built like this. They build their homes from concrete/masonry. We build our homes, not even out of solid wood, but OSB which seems to be basically compressed wood chips. Even so-called third world countries build their homes far more solidly and durably than we do. The architecture of many of these suburban tract housing is also HIDEOUS, with the garage displayed prominently on the front as if it were the most important room in the house. I'm sure someone in the construction industry or someone more knowledgeable than me could point out a thousand other way in which American houses are crappily built.

Older American houses seem to be far better constructed. In the old Mid-western and Northeast cities, it's not hard to find homes from the late Victorian era that are still in good condition. Will these 'modern' homes last even 30-40 years before they're ready for the bulldozer?
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Old 07-09-2019, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Because houses are marketed competitively like all other products. If there is one reason for poor construction and finish, it lies with putting too much money into "flash" details like vaulted ceilings, faux chef's kitchens, oversized bathrooms and the like. You can't put a stainless kitchen in a $300k house without taking the money out somewhere else - like roof construction, exterior feature quality, minimally-spec'ed HVAC etc.

The idea that you are buying a better house in a better location than you can afford - or, to be charitable, "getting a better deal than you thought you could" is pervasive and driven by this flashy chrome junk.
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Old 07-09-2019, 10:59 AM
 
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Good enough is enough. American homes meet requirements.
Why build with expensive concrete or masonry if wood and plaster and shingles is sufficient?


We also make good computers.
You know why computers aren't built in Europe?
Spoiler
They couldn't figure out a way for them to leak oil.
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Old 07-09-2019, 11:05 AM
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Location: San Antonio/Houston/Tricity
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Why does the richest nation in the world build such shoddy houses? The poor quality of American housing is quite frankly disgraceful. OSB, really? Fine for a shed or temporary dwelling, not a house. Asphalt roof shingles? Again, not acceptable for a human dwelling- a bird/doghouse sure. European nations would never allow their homes to be built like this. They build their homes from concrete/masonry. We build our homes, not even out of solid wood, but OSB which seems to be basically compressed wood chips. Even so-called third world countries build their homes far more solidly and durably than we do. The architecture of many of these suburban tract housing is also HIDEOUS, with the garage displayed prominently on the front as if it were the most important room in the house. I'm sure someone in the construction industry or someone more knowledgeable than me could point out a thousand other way in which American houses are crappily built.

Older American houses seem to be far better constructed. In the old Mid-western and Northeast cities, it's not hard to find homes from the late Victorian era that are still in good condition. Will these 'modern' homes last even 30-40 years before they're ready for the bulldozer?
They are built cheaply so everyone can own one. In the US houses are for every budget - from several thousand dollars to several million dollars.
They also are built from readily available materials - wood.
If they were built like in Europe (nowadays, not historic houses), far less people could afford to buy one.
The culture of owning a house is also different - in Europe houses are built to last for generations. Here some last just few decades, if even. People want new, change styles, floor plans, trends. Having a house doesn't mean having roots in a place. People "own" several houses in their lifetime. The ownership % is low too. Some people never really own their house... They move around and pay never ending mortgage.
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Old 07-09-2019, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Southwest Washington State
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Why does the richest nation in the world build such shoddy houses? The poor quality of American housing is quite frankly disgraceful. OSB, really? Fine for a shed or temporary dwelling, not a house. Asphalt roof shingles? Again, not acceptable for a human dwelling- a bird/doghouse sure. European nations would never allow their homes to be built like this. They build their homes from concrete/masonry. We build our homes, not even out of solid wood, but OSB which seems to be basically compressed wood chips. Even so-called third world countries build their homes far more solidly and durably than we do. The architecture of many of these suburban tract housing is also HIDEOUS, with the garage displayed prominently on the front as if it were the most important room in the house. I'm sure someone in the construction industry or someone more knowledgeable than me could point out a thousand other way in which American houses are crappily built.

Older American houses seem to be far better constructed. In the old Mid-western and Northeast cities, it's not hard to find homes from the late Victorian era that are still in good condition. Will these 'modern' homes last even 30-40 years before they're ready for the bulldozer?
Well, older brick homes in the Midwest heat up like ovens in the summer. And they might not hold up in an earthquake.

Not all older homes are built well. Not all newer homes are built poorly.

I personally think that homes should be built to withstand tornadoes and earthquakes, but I suppose that would put them out of reach for most homebuyers.
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Old 07-09-2019, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
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Europe is densely populated with relatively stable cities that have been around longer than the entire U.S. Properties get handed down or re-used.

Look at the downtowns of many small cities in the U.S. and you will see empty storefronts, abandoned houses, and general decay as the residents have been forced to move into metro areas to find work. It makes no sense to overbuild when the lifespan of a structure may be just a few years. It is a waste of resources, money, and is not ecologically sound.

FWIW, this thread needs to be merged with the existing one.
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Old 07-09-2019, 11:19 AM
 
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
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Older American houses seem to be far better constructed.
That's only because the ones which were not well-constructed haven't survived. It's survivorship bias. Shoddy construction isn't a recent phenomenon.
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Old 07-09-2019, 11:42 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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Land is worth money and appreciates. The buildings depreciate.



Who would like to come home to a place with the finest building technology to be found in the 18th century?
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Old 07-09-2019, 12:13 PM
 
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It’s all about what people are willing to pay for what they can get! It’s economics 101.

I’ve built houses and quickly learned that you can include all kinds of high end materials, construction features, etc and if the potential buyers cannot see or use them in tangible ways, the house will sit, unsold. Even energy star homes languish during competitive markets and they add about 10 % to the cost of the home. It’s very simple, it’s all about what someone is willing to pay for what they can get❗️
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Old 07-09-2019, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Johns Creek, GA
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Why does the richest nation in the world build such shoddy houses? The poor quality of American housing is quite frankly disgraceful. OSB, really? Fine for a shed or temporary dwelling, not a house. Asphalt roof shingles? Again, not acceptable for a human dwelling- a bird/doghouse sure. European nations would never allow their homes to be built like this. They build their homes from concrete/masonry. We build our homes, not even out of solid wood, but OSB which seems to be basically compressed wood chips. Even so-called third world countries build their homes far more solidly and durably than we do. The architecture of many of these suburban tract housing is also HIDEOUS, with the garage displayed prominently on the front as if it were the most important room in the house. I'm sure someone in the construction industry or someone more knowledgeable than me could point out a thousand other way in which American houses are crappily built.

Older American houses seem to be far better constructed. In the old Mid-western and Northeast cities, it's not hard to find homes from the late Victorian era that are still in good condition. Will these 'modern' homes last even 30-40 years before they're ready for the bulldozer?
Judging by your other posts, I see you like to stir the pot- do you find anything good about anything made/manufactured/built in USA? Or does peanut butter not meet your criteria?
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