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Old 04-09-2010, 09:11 PM
 
Location: southwest TN
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I thought Pine Sol had ammonia?

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It is a type of phenol disinfectant, It has an oil or coal tar in it, I think Lysol is similar. Its prolly more effective than bleach so why mix them anyway
According to the MSDS, Pine Sol has pine oil and alcohol. Period.

Lysol 4in1 has ammonium chloride and ethynol - and I would not combine bleach with it (because of the "ammonium") just to be safe. I'm not a chemist and I didn't find anything to state that ammonium chloride is the same as ammonia, but I don't take chances. (Ammonium chloride is used in many medications: from cold/cough medicine to viagra.)

Ammonia and chlorine mixed are extremely poisonous. My friend's mother died as a result of using bleach where she had already put a product containing ammonia. She didn't make sure to rinse it before using a bleach product. Her lungs were seared and she didn't recover.

When in doubt, don't mix bleach with anything - or ammonia with anything other than water and vinegar (A GREAT cleaning product). But don't get paranoid either. Look it up.

BTW, the MSDS (manufacturer safety data sheet) for all products is available online. And I did google Pine Sol and read the MSDS. Do NOT confuse pine sol with other pine detergents which may not be pure pine oil.

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Old 04-09-2010, 09:17 PM
 
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According to the MSDS, Pine Sol has pine oil and alcohol. Period.

Lysol 4in1 has ammonium chloride and ethynol - and I would not combine bleach with it (because of the "ammonium") just to be safe. I'm not a chemist and I didn't find anything to state that ammonium chloride is the same as ammonia, but I don't take chances. (Ammonium chloride is used in many medications: from cold/cough medicine to viagra.)

Ammonia and chlorine mixed are extremely poisonous. My friend's mother died as a result of using bleach where she had already put a product containing ammonia. She didn't make sure to rinse it before using a bleach product. Her lungs were seared and she didn't recover.

When in doubt, don't mix bleach with anything - or ammonia with anything other than water and vinegar (A GREAT cleaning product). But don't get paranoid either. Look it up.

BTW, the MSDS (manufacturer safety data sheet) for all products is available online. And I did google Pine Sol and read the MSDS. Do NOT confuse pine sol with other pine detergents which may not be pure pine oil.
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Old 04-09-2010, 10:10 PM
 
Location: Lake Oswego, Manhattan, Aspen
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Funny Ammonia and Bleach story:

Back when I was a beginner landlord...still in college, scraping by....a truly sleazy couple simply moved into an apartment into our first building (also the first home we owned...oh, the memories...) without telling us they were subletting. Before we even knew they were there...in maybe 48 hours, they'd managed to fry so much food, the kitchen was coated in grease. The bedroom was full of swinger videos. And the commode was clogged with diapers and bathroom tissue: backing up.

There was no money for a plumber. We were students...sometimes rolling pennies to pay for food. So, I grabbed a gallon of Clorox, and started to pour: thinking I'd at least disinfect before I started reaching into that pit of horrors with my gloved hands. I may have used the plunger a bit, too. Anyway, the whole Ammonia-rich mixture of diapers and stale human fluids reacted with the bleach. Suddenly, the darn thing was foaming like a white porcelain volcano having a major eruption. Flooded the bathroom, and for a few seconds I was sure it was gonna explode.

Oy!

A little later, I reentered the bathroom. The deadly gases had, I suppose, dissipated by that point. I used a set of tacky curtains to mop up with. Eeeeeeeeeeee! How gross!

But la mode was unplugged. Friends at home, dont't try this. I could have died.

Anyway, unless there is some special risk associated with your building, or some special purpose, like a surgery clinic or daycare, Pinesol by itself should be more than adequate. Pine resin is a potent Antimicrobial, and a pretty effective solvent. Maybe alternate with a Borax and soap combination (warm water), just to be sure nothing is developing an immunity. But bleach is overkill, and not at all good for the metals in your building (or proteins...like the ones that your Janitor is made of).

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Old 04-10-2010, 01:55 PM
 
Location: southwest TN
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Funny Ammonia and Bleach story:

Friends at home, dont't try this. I could have died.

Anyway, unless there is some special risk associated with your building, or some special purpose, like a surgery clinic or daycare, Pinesol by itself should be more than adequate. Pine resin is a potent Antimicrobial, and a pretty effective solvent. Maybe alternate with a Borax and soap combination (warm water), just to be sure nothing is developing an immunity. But bleach is overkill, and not at all good for the metals in your building (or proteins...like the ones that your Janitor is made of).

Not so funny story - I'm glad you were ok.

And fantastic info on the pinesol. It's true that pine resin is a good antimicrobial - AND it doesn't hurt septic systems. I've already begun the switch over to pine cleaner as a replacement for my beloved bleach. I love the clean smell of a bleached kitchen and it isn't overpowering or headache producing (for me) as is pine cleaner (I'm lightly allergic). But bleach can cause such a great problem in a septic system that ANY use is quite hazardous to the system. So, for those of you in the country, no bleach!
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Old 04-11-2010, 05:22 AM
 
Location: N of citrus, S of decent corn
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All I know is, I bet it must have smelled like what I imagine the inside of a prison must smell like...I hate the smell of PineSol and of bleach.
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Old 04-11-2010, 07:04 PM
 
Location: SE Michigan
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^ I could do without the bleach smell but I am positively addicted to the scent of pine sol.
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Old 07-08-2017, 05:01 AM
 
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Do not mix the two... I just made a bleach /water mixture and forgot to rinse the mop which was used in pine sol last. It Made a huge gas cloud and took my breath away. I had to go outside and get fresh air.
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Old 07-08-2017, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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It is a type of phenol disinfectant, It has an oil or coal tar in it, I think Lysol is similar. Its prolly more effective than bleach so why mix them anyway
Here is a list of ingredients from their web site: https://www.thecloroxcompany.com/en-...r-41294973267/. To error on the side of caution you would have to look up everyone of their ingredients and see if they are compatible with Clorox. I would say, not knowing for sure; that the biggest ingredient is water followed by C10 Alcohol Ethoxylates - these companies usually list the most abundant component first. The company does state that their product contains no ammonia.

Working in the pharmaceutical industry our government and thus our pharmaceutical companies rely heavily on chlorine to disinfect. Nothing moves through any airlock without the proper ten minute dwell time with a 0.5% chlorine solution - which can be made by any homeowner with Clorox (we do use sterilized/treated water). The ratio is 2500 ml of bleach to 20 l of water.
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Old 07-08-2017, 10:59 AM
 
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I had to clean out an elderly relative's house for sale when he went into assisted living. He'd let his two cats use the stair landing as their litterbox for years <gag>. I pulled up the carpet and pad, but the urine had soaked into the subfloor and the odor was godawful. I grabbed a gallon of bleach and poured it all over the plywood. Whoo! The chloramine just about knocked me out! But when I came back the next day you couldn't smell cat pee at all.

And another FYI about mixing bleach- and ammonia-based cleaners: the chemical reaction that creates the chloramine gas also effectively eliminates the cleaning power of both agents.
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Old 07-08-2017, 11:26 AM
 
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Agree about mixing bleach and ammonia. I have actually done this and lived to see another day. As I recall, I opened a window after doing it, and left the kitchen. It did give me a terrible cough. I coughed so hard I jarred a rib out of place in my back.

At any rate, don't mix these two.

I have always thought that old fashioned Pine Sol was a disinfectant, so I am not sure why one would add bleach. I have used bleach on a tiled bathroom floor, but I don't do that any more, although I might use a bleach pen on the grout. Once you use bleach on any surface, all or most of the house smells like bleach. I don't really like that smell in my house, frankly. And, I don't think it is necessary either.
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