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Old 12-30-2010, 11:28 PM
 
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I was going to stay in bed today but then I would've missed a lecture from someone who can't use line breaks.

Anyway, I like that we're going on about zoning here. For all that's made about zoning and Houston's lack of it, the growth pattern here has never been that different from other Sun Belt metros. They're all decentralized. They're all spread out. Even NYC has basically two CBDs in Lower and Midtown Manhattan, and it's not like nobody works elsewhere in the city.

But for what it's worth, you could take the most important employment and cultural centers in Houston and draw a fairly compact (by any American urban standard) triangle from Downtown/EC/TMC with Greenway, Uptown, Museum District etc. in the middle. Creating a transit infrastructure covering this space is hardly beyond the reach of modern man.

The only real problem (OMG HOUSTON WE HAVE A PROBLEM HERP DERP) is building that infrastructure with as little disruption to the existing built environment (and keeping expenses within sane limits) that came up in a time when rail of any kind was an afterthought across the nation.

The current rail line was an attempt to draw one side of that triangle, however many corners were cut.
As you obviously know what you are talking about, I'll just say keep up the good work.
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Old 12-31-2010, 12:04 AM
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There's a warped expectation of TOD timelines on both the D and H threads. Houston seems to be tracking about right with development along its line especially given its brief history and attenuated reach.

Boston's Lechmere station at one terminus of the Green Line opened in 1922 and until the late 1980s it hosted nothing more than what had already been established there when it was constructed. A candy factory, an old East Cambridge neighborhood of multifamily houses, an aging warehouse across the street (which didn't see adaptive reuse as apts. until the 21st century) and a small department store were pretty much it until a mall, apts. and a Lotus Development office and a few others went up a block or two away nearby in a spike of construction in the late 1980s. Even the Middlesex courthouse expansion in 1972 happened several blocks further away. Only in the last five years recently a modern apartment block was constructed across the street from the station.

A mid-1980s expansion of the MBTA's Red Line into Cambridge yielded several stations in popular squares that saw only two small three- or so story office/retail buildings per station constructed adjacent to them to this day, other than solidifying retail occupancy and upgrades to existing lease space. The last station on the line, Alewife, is a parking garage that catches inflow from the western suburbs and sat surrounded by vacant land, established housing project towers, scattered midrise office buildings, and a 1950s-era Arthur D. Little complex for decades until newer apt. towers were constructed nearby only a decade ago.

Other cities in the country fare similarly. TOD happens in its own time and way.

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Old 12-31-2010, 09:32 AM
 
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There's a warped expectation of TOD timelines on both the D and H threads. Houston seems to be tracking about right with development along its line especially given its brief history and attenuated reach.

Boston's Lechmere station at one terminus of the Green Line opened in 1922 and until the late 1980s it hosted nothing more than what had already been established there when it was constructed. A candy factory, an old East Cambridge neighborhood of multifamily houses, an aging warehouse across the street (which didn't see adaptive reuse as apts. until the 21st century) and a small department store were pretty much it until a mall, apts. and a Lotus Development office and a few others went up a block or two away nearby in a spike of construction in the late 1980s. Even the Middlesex courthouse expansion in 1972 happened several blocks further away. Only in the last five years recently a modern apartment block was constructed across the street from the station.

A mid-1980s expansion of the MBTA's Red Line into Cambridge yielded several stations in popular squares that saw only two small three- or so story office/retail buildings per station constructed adjacent to them to this day, other than solidifying retail occupancy and upgrades to existing lease space. The last station on the line, Alewife, is a parking garage that catches inflow from the western suburbs and sat surrounded by vacant land, established housing project towers, scattered midrise office buildings, and a 1950s-era Arthur D. Little complex for decades until newer apt. towers were constructed nearby only a decade ago.

Other cities in the country fare similarly. TOD happens in its own time and way.
In the Dallas area, downtown Las Colinas and TOD is a match made in heaven. After all, the urban development was originally designed as a TOD. So far, things are working out as planned. The Convention Center is close to completion while dirt from the nearby entertainment district has been given the full okay to start flying. This should spark the other nearby developments to get under way as well so that they will be completed by the time the orange line of the DART light rail arrives. I like what the city of Irving is doing. It has gone out to get entertainment without being weighed down with the burden of a sports team. Having far better sound quality than sport's arenas, the venue will be state of the art specifically designed for musical groups. Also, they aren't building a huge hotel to lower the vacancy rate for area hotels, but rather building two venues, the Covention Center and the Entertainment District, to help fill them up.
(Figure a lot of developments may wait to start their constuction so that their completion dates will match when DART completes the orange line to DFW connecting the airport with downtown Dallas.)

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Old 12-31-2010, 09:36 PM
 
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I must say I am quite impressed. its 1030pm on new years eve and the inbound train is about full! definitely exceeded my expectations.
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Old 01-05-2011, 10:59 AM
 
Location: ITL (Houston)
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Looks like the rail is starting back up again: Metro getting Houston light rail projects back on track | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
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Old 01-05-2011, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Houston
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That's good news. Sounds like the mayor has things back on track.
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Old 01-06-2011, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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That's great news for Houston.
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Old 01-31-2011, 03:52 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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I just hate the Texas State Government, I hate the state government a lot, text book changing, succession talking, economy ruining, budget cutting idiots in the Texas State Government. I love the city of Houston very much but I hate the state of Texas, and especially the psychologically impaired retards that run this state:
Budget-cut plan puts light rail expansion on the line | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

Why cant these idiots run the state properly?
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Old 01-31-2011, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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I just hate the Texas State Government, I hate the state government a lot, text book changing, succession talking, economy ruining, budget cutting idiots in the Texas State Government. I love the city of Houston very much but I hate the state of Texas, and especially the psychologically impaired retards that run this state:
Budget-cut plan puts light rail expansion on the line | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle

Why cant these idiots run the state properly?
It's a reason why I can't vibe with the state that much anymore even though I think this is more of a national issue than state issue though slightly since Cornyn is a member that may cut funding. Houston ALWAYS hits a roadblock with politicians when it comes to building mass transit. Oh but when a road is planned, they will do all they can to get that built.

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The Metro board has just hired the C2 Group, a lobbying firm adept at pitching mass transit to members of Congress. If Republican cutbacks prevail, Metro has plans to buy only 29 of 105 planned rail cars and to abandon the North and Southeast lines, completing only a half-mile stretch of the Southeast line linking the East End and Main Street lines.
Just read this. Ridiculous.
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Old 01-31-2011, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Houston/Brenham
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I just hate the Texas State Government, <snip>
Why cant these idiots run the state properly?
It's the FEDS that are cutting the money (maybe). What does this have to do with our state?
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