07-11-2011, 08:43 PM
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The article was about TEMPE ending their contract with their photo enforcement vendor REDFLEX, REDFLEX issues red light tickets and speeding tickets in TEMPE, AZ. The RED LIGHT CAMERA program and the speeding program are ending. They are THE SAME CAMERAS. The reference about the state stopping speed cameras LAST SUMMER was background that the reporter used to give a braoder perspective on the issue. Once again, what about those systems that only produce photos and not videos and how those are different from the Houston cameras?
No the article was about them turning off the speeding cameras. They are not the same cameras that Houston has for their red light cameras. Not even the same vendor or the same technology.
And at the very end of the article it says....
Tempe released a statement Monday saying that Tempe City Attorney Andrew Ching is still in negotiations with Redflex to resolve the lawsuit. The council could consider a proposal for a new photo-enforcement contract at a future meeting , said City Manager Charlie Meyer in the release.
None of this has anything to do with Houstons system.
07-11-2011, 08:53 PM
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You do realize the speed cameras and the red light cameras are the SAME CAMERAS in the SAME BOX on the pole at intersections right?
Tell me again about the one that only takes photos, you seem to keep forgetting about that whopper.
BTW redflex has several contracts with cities in Texas, there is essentially no difference in how redflex's system works and ATS's cameras in Houston work. League city has them from redflex for red light runners, and guess what, THEY TAKE VIDEO
Councilmen Tommy Cones, Tim Paulissen and Chris Samuelson voted against the agreement with
RedFlex Traffic Systems.
Although the cameras use
both still images and video , there will not be constant surveillance of the intersection.
The combination of
photos and video will assist police officers in determining whether to issue a citation, and will not fine drivers under extenuating circumstances."
Red light cameras to start snapping League City drivers - Your Houston News: News
Tell me again how well you understand the technology?
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TVC15
No the article was about them turning off the speeding cameras. They are not the same cameras that Houston has for their red light cameras. Not even the same vendor or the same technology.
And at the very end of the article it says....
Tempe released a statement Monday saying that Tempe City Attorney Andrew Ching is still in negotiations with Redflex to resolve the lawsuit. The council could consider a proposal for a new photo-enforcement contract at a future meeting , said City Manager Charlie Meyer in the release.
07-11-2011, 09:03 PM
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Watch the video for the news article, they say the RED LIGHT CAMERAS will be turned off in 7 days! They also show the footage of the camera boxes at the intersections so you can see what they look like. And guess what, they show footage of the camera VIDEO from a violation! Hillarious, that's what we call a pants down spankin' Only captures photos and only the speed cameras are getting shut off indeed. This is the great mind that talked about how knowledgeable he was and how well he understood the technology! No wonder you think cameras are a good idea. You have NO IDEA HOW THEY WORK!
Photo enforcement in Tempe will come to an end this month
07-11-2011, 09:18 PM
Location: Houston, TX
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A friend who moved here several years ago from AZ, commented shortly after her arrival that she really had to take extra care at red lights here because she had never seen so many people run lights like they did here .... said that they had red light cameras in AZ and that the red light running problem was minimal compared to Houston.
07-11-2011, 09:19 PM
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aww where did you go? Shall we recap for the home viewers? This bastian of knowledge about ticket cameras that slapped himself on the back for what an excellent job he did on soundly trouncing me, the one that believes lowering the penalty for a crime gets you less of that activity is against photo enforcement but not red light cameras, why? Because photo enforcement means speed cameras that only take photos, not videos and that is different from red light cameras like Houston has. And because an article referenced the fact that the state of Arizona banned speed cameras on freeways last summer Tempe AZ, who this week ended their contract with redflex, (who only uses speed camera technology that doesn't take video like the system in League city) that means that Tempe only banned their speeding cameras, not their red light cameras despite what the nice lady on the TV said about the red light cameras in Tempe being turned off in 7 days. That about sum it up? Sadly, this kind of reasoning is very typical of the camera keeper thought process.
07-11-2011, 09:20 PM
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Wait a minute, I have it on good authority that AZ doesn't have red light cameras, only speed cameras that don't take video, clearly your friend is mistaken.
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A friend who moved here several years ago from AZ, commented shortly after her arrival that she really had to take extra care at red lights here because she had never seen so many people run lights like they did here .... said that they had red light cameras in AZ and that the red light running problem was minimal compared to Houston.
07-11-2011, 09:25 PM
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You do realize the speed cameras and the red light cameras are the SAME CAMERAS in the SAME BOX on the pole at intersections right?
Tell me again about the one that only takes photos, you seem to keep forgetting about that whopper.
BTW redflex has several contracts with cities in Texas, there is essentially no difference in how redflex's system works and ATS's cameras in Houston work. League city has them from redflex for red light runners, and guess what, THEY TAKE VIDEO
Councilmen Tommy Cones, Tim Paulissen and Chris Samuelson voted against the agreement with
RedFlex Traffic Systems.
Although the cameras use
both still images and video ,
there will not be constant surveillance of the intersection .
The combination of
photos and video will assist police officers in determining whether to issue a citation, and will not fine drivers under extenuating circumstances."
Red light cameras to start snapping League City drivers - Your Houston News: News
Tell me again how well you understand the technology?
As well as I can read it!
Do you recall writing this: The video is on a constant loop constantly videotaping the intersection and the video is time stamped when it detects a violation. And it directly contradicts what you just posted...tell me again how well you understand technology?
I don't represent guilty people in traffic court so I'm not as expert at trying to convince people how they are the same or why they are no good. I believe in science and real data...not a sleazy traffic ticket attorney who makes his living off of the mostly guilty.
Again you posted a link in attempt to promote social proofing. That article had nothing to do with Houston's red light cameras...different vendor and different technology.
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07-11-2011, 09:31 PM
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LOL! The final retort of the defeated.
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Thanks for educating me Kubosh!
07-11-2011, 09:39 PM
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The technology used in Houston's Red Light Cameras
Q: Why is one ATS camera better than multiple others?
A: ATS uses the highest digital color resolution cameras in the industry, giving it a huge advantage over competitors.
The ATS single camera solution captures multiple violations simultaneously taking as many as five images per second. Other single and multi-camera systems can only capture one violation at a time.
Only ATS uses a single camera, up to 16 megapixels , capable of producing the clearest images over several lanes of traffic. Others claim they have the “equivalent” output as ATS. But pixels cannot be added together to produce equivalent or better results so their claims are misleading at best.
All violation evidence is extracted from one image set, without the use of a secondary camera to capture the license plate. Multi-cams have a history of license plate mismatches and camera sync issues resulting in overturned violations and program terminations in several states.
The flexibility of ATS single-camera placement (farther back and higher on the pole) provides a better field of view and the ability to capture violators over the top of tall vehicles like buses or trucks.
One camera covering all lanes of traffic means less roadway equipment and fewer dependent connections, resulting in a lower probability of error.
This is not the same technology I am reading right off of REDFLEX's website for their speed camera. They are close but not the SAME! Especially if the REDFLEX system is using 2, 4 or 6 megapixels. You're not going to get as good of an image as you would with the 16 megapixel technology.
Also how good the technology works depends on how it was set up and how it was used.
I don't have any idea how AZ is using their cameras. I do know how Houston's cameras work and I have seen the evidence...it is irrefutable. I am not as well rehearsed in what AZ uses...I don't make my living off of knowing that.
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07-11-2011, 09:42 PM
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LOL! The final retort of the defeated.
OMG hardly defeated.
The data from HPD shows overwhelming that red light runners increase when the cameras are turned off.
How am I defeated in that?
That has been my only point in this tread and I have proven it hands down.
You have proven nothing!
Besides Kubosh was defeated! The cameras are back on and sending out viloations....now thats a slam dunk defeat!
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People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)