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Old 07-26-2011, 08:20 AM
 
Location: Baytown
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One Step Closer: LA Red Light Cameras Voted Down AGAIN « CameraFRAUD.com – The Cameras are Coming Down

LA police commissioners voted 5-0 to end the camera contract and now so did a city committee. Why? Because at even over $400 a ticket the system is losing money. Yea, but it is all about the safety right?
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Old 07-26-2011, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Why do people hate law enforcenment?
Lots of reasons.
1. There is a disconnect between law and morality.
2. Laws are selectively enforced, according to revenue yield.
3. Vague, arbitrary and downright unconstitutional laws remain enforceable until higher courts agree to hear appeals.
4. Violators are randomly selected, like a reverse lottery.
5. The accused and even the suspected are, in practice, presumed guilty and apprehended and prosecuted at public expense, until they prove their innocence at their personal expense.
6. Bad cops do exist, with virtual impunity, with unlimited power to destroy lives.
7. There IS a quota.
8. People wrongfully accused and exonerated aren't even given an apology, much less reparations.

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Old 07-26-2011, 09:56 AM
 
Location: Spring
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Who voted for them to be installed in the first place? Those are the real idiots.
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:09 AM
 
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Lots of reasons.
1. There is a disconnect between law and morality.
2. Laws are selectively enforced, according to revenue yield.
3. Vague, arbitrary and downright unconstitutional laws remain enforceable until higher courts agree to hear appeals.
4. Violators are randomly selected, like a reverse lottery.
5. The accused and even the suspected are, in practice, presumed guilty and apprehended and prosecuted at public expense, until they prove their innocence at their personal expense.
6. Bad cops do exist, with virtual impunity, with unlimited power to destroy lives.
7. There IS a quota.
8. People wrongfully accused and exonerated aren't even given an apology, much less reparations.

Spot on
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Who voted for them to be installed in the first place? Those are the real idiots.
There was no vote, the city did it on their own.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:27 AM
 
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The biggest problem with the red-light cameras is not whether they increase or decrease safety. That's just a red herring matter to get people worked up and yelling at each other, and distracted from what really matters.

The main issue with the cameras is that they exist as a money-making matter, with drivers losing money, and a small group of people profitting. That's how the cameras came into being in the first place. A company approached HPD with their proposal, with HPD to get a cut of the profits. It was about making money. The camera folks and HPD were not thinking about safety, nor were they thinking about driver's rights or any repercussions to their plans.

Of course the pro-camera profitters are going to use anything and everything to make the cameras *appear* to enhance safety, not matter how bogus and stretching the truth. It affects their purses, so they're going to thow out anything to protect them. Just because that "data" is out there, it doesn't make it automatically accurate.

The same people profitting from the cameras, are the same folks who jumped the gun and assumed the cameras would be legal. They also were naive in thinking the cameras would easily excepted by the masses/population (i.e. bend over and pay). They should have taken a better look at matters first. They rushed into it, and now they should pay for their irresponsible behavior (cameras off, and no money to them). It's not our (the general public's) mess, and we shouldn't be having to bother with cleaning up the mess.

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Old 07-26-2011, 02:50 PM
 
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Does anyone here remember the citizens being asked or given the option to vote to put those cameras up in the first place? .

...here we have it folks, the million dollar question...
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Old 07-26-2011, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Baytown
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More like the 50 million dollar question.

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...here we have it folks, the million dollar question...
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Old 07-26-2011, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Baytown
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More on LA, They are now telling their drivers to disregard camera tickets. If only we had Houston officials with the backbone to do this.

LOS ANGELES—Officials say Los Angeles motorists can disregard red-light camera tickets.

The last red-light camera citation would be issue Sunday if the City Council votes to end the program.
Police Commission executive director Richard Tefank told the city's Budget and Finance Committee on Monday that the tickets are part of a voluntary payment program and there are no consequences for drivers who fail to pay fines.
The committee has urged the City Council to endorse an earlier Police Commission recommendation to end the red-light camera program. The council was deadlocked over the fate of the program last month. The Los Angeles Times says the committee also recommends that city agencies work with camera system contractor American Traffic Solutions to remove equipment from 32 intersections.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18550894 (broken link)
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Old 07-26-2011, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Sugar Land
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Well our mayor is in bed with the police and private camera firm so why would she tell us to disregard a perfectly good cash cow.


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More on LA, They are now telling their drivers to disregard camera tickets. If only we had Houston officials with the backbone to do this.

LOS ANGELES—Officials say Los Angeles motorists can disregard red-light camera tickets.

The last red-light camera citation would be issue Sunday if the City Council votes to end the program.
Police Commission executive director Richard Tefank told the city's Budget and Finance Committee on Monday that the tickets are part of a voluntary payment program and there are no consequences for drivers who fail to pay fines.
The committee has urged the City Council to endorse an earlier Police Commission recommendation to end the red-light camera program. The council was deadlocked over the fate of the program last month. The Los Angeles Times says the committee also recommends that city agencies work with camera system contractor American Traffic Solutions to remove equipment from 32 intersections.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_18550894 (broken link)
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