11-22-2011, 10:25 AM
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Houston isn't "speeding past" Dallas, nor is it unequivocally "ahead" of Philadelphia. These cities are all direct peers. Houston may be ahead of Atlanta in terms of sheer size, but the two cities are still comparable. Beyond them you have cities like Washington DC, San Francisco, and Chicago, and by almost every metric Houston is far behind this group of cities. Just looking at populations and
gross metropolitan products of the regions alone illustrates my point:
Houston: population of 6.05 million, $385 billion GMP
Dallas-Ft. Worth: 6.73 million, $378B
Philadelphia: 6.53 million, $367B
Atlanta: 5.62 million, $279B
Washington DC-Baltimore: 8.57 million, $575B
San Francisco-San Jose: 7.47 million, $545B
Chicago: 9.69 million, $539B
So, no, Houston is not starting to emerge into a new group of cities. It has a very long way to go before it can be considered alongside the likes of Chicago or DC.
I believe it is..Houston is growing very fast (its the fastest growing metro)...it has many favorable industries for growth (energy, medical-these two area alone are the fastest growing industries in the country) and these numbers are from 2010 (2009 numbers), its 2011. With its population and industries growing I'm pretty sure its close to or 400B by now.
Here is a link of the fastest growing industries. Houston is in just about all of these industries.
12 Industries That Are Actually Growing - Daniel Indiviglio - Business - The Atlantic
At the rate of all of Houston and Dallas growth, I say give them both 10 years, then it will be able to compete or if not will be close to the "big dawgs". I mean we are not there now, but i believe we will be. We are ahead of the class we are in right now and those numbers are from 2010 (actually 2009 numbers).
Its crazy how Dallas has way more people and more headquarters than any city in the country but Houston GDP is higher. That area should be doing better with 6.7 million people and its so call big business. (Just big for nothing)
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11-22-2011, 10:57 AM
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Even I know that Houston doesn't give a Chicago feel. LOL! I'm saying that people on here always say that Houston feels bigger than Atlanta, Phoenix, and even DFW . Im wondering would its "feeling bigger" and actual size help it to move on to a new group of peers.
The situation with DFW is sticky. Houston City definitely feels bigger than Dallas city because... well it is. Even if you shrink Houston's City limits to the size of Dallas city limits you still get more people. Remember the thread Danny made where Houston caught up to Dallas's population in just about 125 sq miles?
anyway, where it gets difficult is looking at the metro as a whole, DFW with all of the sum of the parts feels as big as Houston, but in the collective. Because it is collective it does not seem as cohesive.
When we say that Houston's Metro is just Houston, we don't only mean that there isn't a joint city like in the Bay or Miami or whereever. What we mean is that Houston and its ETJ has over 4M people. The metro is simply Houston closely pimpled by small suburbs. So radiating from the core it is basically Houston for ever.
The case with DFW is that they have powerful burbs. Big burbs. Nationally known burbs. While Houston may have the Galveston and TW, FW, Plano, Irving etc are hard to ignore.
Even breaking it down to metro divisions, Houston's home county is just as the entire 8 county Dallas-Irving-Plano metropolitan Division. (FYI, in the 90's Houston, Pearland, Galveston etc were all different metro areas, they were combined in 2000, but they are too small to be considered a metro division, because quite frankly the draw is just Houston).
Jobs, are centered around Houston or withing 5 miles away from it (few exceptions). I don't see this changing anytime soon because Houston's ETJ is so large. I think the only it will change is if Houston releases those 1.6M people that are in its ETJ. This would instantly lock in Houston in all directions and create monster burbs in Katy, Cypress, Spring, Humble and Atascocita.
People say that city limits mean nothing but it actually is very important. Government funding is dependent on population. Tax base, city services, etc.
anyway, Houston only feels bigger than DFW in terms of development immediately around the City. DFW as a collection of cities feel as big as the one big city
11-22-2011, 11:02 AM
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Being that Houston is flat, obviously gives it that bigger feel, right?
11-22-2011, 11:11 AM
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Being that Houston is flat, obviously gives it that bigger feel, right?
no, quite the opposite.
Flat areas are hard to take it in as a whole.
Besides, DFW is not as hilly as they make it out to seem. Yes it does have more hills than Houston, but it is not very hilly.
Again what separates the two is that Dallas is not the sole center of attention in the metro.
11-22-2011, 11:13 AM
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Do you see The Woodlands competing with Houston in terms of urbanity? I know it is kind of a crazy question.
11-22-2011, 11:18 AM
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Do you see The Woodlands competing with Houston in terms of urbanity? I know it is kind of a crazy question.
lol, have you seen the woodlands???
It is fun, its density is slightly higher than Houstons because it is like 500 times smaller, but it is not really urban development. They call it the woodlands for a reason
11-22-2011, 11:21 AM
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LOL! I was asking because I've learned that in DFW, suburbs compete with Dallas for things. In Houston, the city is the head master. From reading, it seems like The Woodlands would be a top suburb that can compete with Houston.
11-22-2011, 11:25 AM
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woodlands may be the top suburb if you want proximity to shopping and with the exxon move it can be close to people who work for Exxon. nothing remotely to have it compete with a city like Houston. Apples and oranges.
11-22-2011, 11:26 AM
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LOL! I was asking because I've learned that in DFW, suburbs compete with Dallas for things. In Houston, the city is the head master. From reading, it seems like The Woodlands would be a top suburb that can compete with Houston.
Houston is just too big for anything near it to compete. The Woodlands is going to get better, no doubts about it, but it is just too small and too far to give any competition. With the new Exxon plant between The Woodlands and Spring, the area is gonna get killer, but Houston is just too much of a beast to be worried.
11-22-2011, 11:31 AM
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LOL, what the heck? Man, you must be from Alabama.
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Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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