Houston MSA's Growing Population (Dallas, San Antonio: metropolitan, areas, firm)

[HtownLove]

Originally Posted by annie_himself

Interesting. I can see it happening, however I don't know much about Texas or Houston politics and policies.

In the 20th century there was a big rush for the tax base. Increase size, get more people, increase the tax base. But under a lot of pressure they have not done any general purpose annexation since Kingwood almost 20 yrs ago.

Katy, Cypress, and Spring don't have established infrastructures and and centers so they will never feel like satellite cities like Denton or whatever else surrounds Dallas.

that is why I was asking this:

Do you think the DFW people will start saying "look who's talking about sister cities." Even though these developed as true suburbs of the city instead of independent cities that had their own downtown before the metro swallowed it?

Originally Posted by DejaBlue

NGL, I had to pull up another window because I said "What the heck is MSA?"

I've seen that here before and honestly didn't know. I'm bad with acronyms

ha ha, you probably rarely visit the general forums. That is an everyday acronym there.

[SouthernBoy205]

Is Prairie View going to be affected by all of this growth or is it too far from the area?

[annie_himself]

Originally Posted by HtownLove

In the 20th century there was a big rush for the tax base. Increase size, get more people, increase the tax base. But under a lot of pressure they have not done any general purpose annexation since Kingwood almost 20 yrs ago.

that is why I was asking this:








ha ha, you probably rarely visit the general forums. That is an everyday acronym there.

Kingwood was annexed? So does that include Northpark? My cousin lives in that huge subdivision just west of 59 on Northpark and her address says Porter, TX.

[HtownLove]

Originally Posted by annie_himself

Kingwood was annexed? So does that include Northpark? My cousin lives in that huge subdivision just west of 59 on Northpark and her address says Porter, TX.

Kingwood was what started the whole uproar.

lawsuits were filed to try and stop the annexation, but it didn't work.

Texas law is changing because of all their noise.

I don't see the problem, these masterplanned communities know that is they are in Houston's ETJ you might be swallowed up.

The Woodlands were a little more successful with their bid although the intent of the planner of TW was to have it become part of houston someday.

[annie_himself]

Originally Posted by HtownLove

Kingwood was what started the whole uproar.

lawsuits were filed to try and stop the annexation, but it didn't work.

Texas law is changing because of all their noise.

I don't see the problem, these masterplanned communities know that is they are in Houston's ETJ you might be swallowed up.

The Woodlands were a little more successful with their bid although the intent of the planner of TW was to have it become part of houston someday.

True, but when will Houston stop? Until they extend more into Ft. Bend and Montgomery Counties?

[HtownLove]

Originally Posted by annie_himself

True, but when will Houston stop? Until they extend more into Ft. Bend and Montgomery Counties?

like I said, they have. Kingwood was almost 20 years ago. Annexation proceedings for that one started in 1993

[KerrTown]

Originally Posted by HtownLove

simple answer. The counties are joined based on commuting patterns, NOT distance.

But how many people live on Galveston Island and work in Downtown Houston?

[annie_himself]

Originally Posted by KerrTown

But how many people live on Galveston Island and work in Downtown Houston?

Many people in Galveston county work in the SE and along 45 south, doesn't have to be the island.

[HtownLove]

Originally Posted by KerrTown

But how many people live on Galveston Island and work in Downtown Houston?

Originally Posted by annie_himself

Many people in Galveston county work in the SE and along 45 south, doesn't have to be the island.

Counties are joined to counties in metros, not downtown to downtown.

That guy said Galveston is bla bla bla miles from Houston, when in actuality Galveston county is 0 miles from Harris County. Remember Galveston County extends all the way to Clearlake (which is city of Houston) it is not just the island

What is important is people working in between the two counties.
in 2000, 33% of Galveston's working population held jobs in Harris County. And in 2000, 11% of the jobs held in Galveston county was from Harris residents. Thus the commuting rate for Houston and Galveston was 45%.

remember only 25% is necessary to bind the two together, and we are waaay passed that. The figure should be waay more than that now since the major growth between the two counties has been nearer to Houston and not the island. League City for example has doubled in population since 2000 from 40K to 80K and is now the largest city in Galveston county. League City straddles the Galveston County/ Harris County border. That shows you how much Houston influences the neighboring counties.

Pearland in Brazoria quickly outpassed the county seat, and now 1/3 of the population of Brazoria county lives in Pearland alone. Thus Brazoria county is firmly bound to Houston.

That leads me to another point. The commuting interplay does not have to be to Houston only. When a county provides enough support to an urban area and job interaction it becomes a central county. In addition to Harris being a central county of the metro, Fort Bend, Brazoria and Galveston counties are central counties in the metro. Thus any county meeting the commuting requirements to that county can be joined to Houston's MSA without its workers having to set foot in Houston

Chambers County and Montgomery county was really close to being deemed central counties last time, I dunno if anything has changed. This is important in two regards.

1. Huntsville met the requirements for being added to Houston's CSA (15%) but not to the MSA (25%). Huntsville does however meet the requirements to be added to the MSA if Montgomery county was a central county. That would bring the MSA total to 6,242,242

2. Beaumont is in Jefferson County, the central county for that metro. The interplay between Beaumont and Houston central counties were low (3%), but the interchange between Jefferson and Houston if Chambers was a central county jumps to 12% (2000 numbers). If Chambers becomes a central county and the interplay increases slightly, the Beaumont metro area may join with Houston's CSA adding 400K to the CSA making us an area of 6.7M people.

Dallas FW has 6 central counties but non are close to anything at the moment.

[SouthernBoy205]

Originally Posted by HtownLove

Counties are joined to counties in metros, not downtown to downtown.

That guy said Galveston is bla bla bla miles from Houston, when in actuality Galveston county is 0 miles from Harris County. Remember Galveston County extends all the way to Clearlake (which is city of Houston) it is not just the island

What is important is people working in between the two counties.
in 2000, 33% of Galveston's working population held jobs in Harris County. And in 2000, 11% of the jobs held in Galveston county was from Harris residents. Thus the commuting rate for Houston and Galveston was 45%.

remember only 25% is necessary to bind the two together, and we are waaay passed that. The figure should be waay more than that now since the major growth between the two counties has been nearer to Houston and not the island. League City for example has doubled in population since 2000 from 40K to 80K and is now the largest city in Galveston county. League City straddles the Galveston County/ Harris County border. That shows you how much Houston influences the neighboring counties.

Pearland in Brazoria quickly outpassed the county seat, and now 1/3 of the population of Brazoria county lives in Pearland alone. Thus Brazoria county is firmly bound to Houston.

That leads me to another point. The commuting interplay does not have to be to Houston only. When a county provides enough support to an urban area and job interaction it becomes a central county. In addition to Harris being a central county of the metro, Fort Bend, Brazoria and Galveston counties are central counties in the metro. Thus any county meeting the commuting requirements to that county can be joined to Houston's MSA without its workers having to set foot in Houston

Chambers County and Montgomery county was really close to being deemed central counties last time, I dunno if anything has changed. This is important in two regards.

1. Huntsville met the requirements for being added to Houston's CSA (15%) but not to the MSA (25%). Huntsville does however meet the requirements to be added to the MSA if Montgomery county was a central county. That would bring the MSA total to 6,242,242

2. Beaumont is in Jefferson County, the central county for that metro. The interplay between Beaumont and Houston central counties were low (3%), but the interchange between Jefferson and Houston if Chambers was a central county jumps to 12% (2000 numbers). If Chambers becomes a central county and the interplay increases slightly, the Beaumont metro area may join with Houston's CSA adding 400K to the CSA making us an area of 6.7M people.

Dallas FW has 6 central counties but non are close to anything at the moment.

Great info!