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Old 04-11-2012, 09:26 AM
 
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What was a fatal mistake about moving the HQ? Are they supposed to keep two HQs? That would be pretty stupid.

United's operations in Chicago are much larger than the operations in Houston. It made perfect sense to consolidate everything in Chicago. People need to get past the emotions of United pulling people out of Houston. It is business, it happens. There were no emotions involved, it was purely a business decision.

Apart from that I generally agree about Hobby as an international airport. Way too much emphasis is being placed on the word "international". My parents live in Myrtle Beach, there are occasional flights in from Canada requiring a small immigration and customs presence. As a result, the airport is called Myrtle Beach International. There is nothing international about it. Hobby will have the typical smallish Southwest planes buzzing down to Latin America/Caribbean. There won't be jumbo jets flying off to Europe, Asia, etc. as is the case with IAH. IAH will remain the dominant airport
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Old 04-11-2012, 01:28 PM
 
Location: The land of sugar... previously Houston and Austin
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Hopefully Hobby will be closed and everything moved to the new Dr. Donald Hull--Fort Bend County International Airport.
Again, I assume you are talking about Sugar Land Regional, I've never heard it called that other name.

That move is doubtful. Not much room to expand, too many neighborhoods and residents nearby. Telfair is right there south of it in the flight path and would probably throw a fit. Cullinan Park is protected, so where would it expand?
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Old 04-11-2012, 01:52 PM
 
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Actually their biggest hub is in Houston, not Chicago.

I wouldn't say the HQ move was fatal -- even if the new international terminal at Hobby is built, it will still have the Houston hub -- but it did erode the good will and loyalty that Houstonians had towards Pre-Merger Continental (PMCO).

When two U.S. companies merge, we do expect one HQ to go. The State of Illinois threw incentives to get the company HQ to be in Chicago. Also I heard that the Pre-Merger United (PMUA) may have insisted that the merged HQ be in Chicago.

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What was a fatal mistake about moving the HQ? Are they supposed to keep two HQs? That would be pretty stupid.

United's operations in Chicago are much larger than the operations in Houston. It made perfect sense to consolidate everything in Chicago. People need to get past the emotions of United pulling people out of Houston. It is business, it happens. There were no emotions involved, it was purely a business decision.

Apart from that I generally agree about Hobby as an international airport. Way too much emphasis is being placed on the word "international". My parents live in Myrtle Beach, there are occasional flights in from Canada requiring a small immigration and customs presence. As a result, the airport is called Myrtle Beach International. There is nothing international about it. Hobby will have the typical smallish Southwest planes buzzing down to Latin America/Caribbean. There won't be jumbo jets flying off to Europe, Asia, etc. as is the case with IAH. IAH will remain the dominant airport
They closed the Central Unit prison, AK. All they need to do is redevelop the prison territory. It closed so the airport can expand.

See this aerial view of the prison territory: http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Centra...Texas&t=h&z=15 - The bit bounded by US90, the airport runway, Highway 6, and the airport itself is also prison territory.

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Again, I assume you are talking about Sugar Land Regional, I've never heard it called that other name.

That move is doubtful. Not much room to expand, too many neighborhoods and residents nearby. Telfair is right there south of it in the flight path and would probably throw a fit. Cullinan Park is protected, so where would it expand?

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Old 04-11-2012, 05:53 PM
 
Location: NW Houston
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Hopefully Hobby will be closed and everything moved to the new Dr. Donald Hull--Fort Bend County International Airport. Maybe Philippine Airlines will offer direct flights to Manila to attract SW Houston's Filipinos?

But in all seriousness there needs to be an airport accessible to the majority of Houstonians! IAH is too far to the north and Hobby is too small and too far east.
Don't waste your time dreaming. SWA is willing to put $100 million into customs and terminal expansion in Hobby but not the billion dollars to rebuild an airport with baggage handling facilities, repair and maintenance hangars, parking garage, etc. And the COH isn't about to spend it. The only reason Southwest's proposal is being considered is because it won't cost the city a dime.

All of United's arguments that are phony about Hobby would be legitimate about Sugarland.
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Old 04-12-2012, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Who says I do care? I'm just commenting generally anyway and to be fair, I think most have gotten over it. I'm not the only that has noticed the attitude on here and on other forums. Besides, ask Tulsans how they felt after Citgo moved from there, (which was the hometown company of Citgo) to Houston. I still remember the teeth gnashing and contempt they had for Houston and Citgo on Tulsanow.
Will there now be teeth gnashing and contempt in Toronto?
Energy company moving HQ to Houston | Houston Politics | a Chron.com blog
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Old 04-12-2012, 07:53 PM
 
Location: plano
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The merger between United and Continental must have made sense... but the calculation that HQ in Chicago is a smart move will be proven wrong over the long run. I have no clue why they put the HQ there other than compromise and it was a mistake. Continental was the more successful ariline of the two....but United was a bigger legacy carrier. Legacy means the past... we live in the beginning of the future.....
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Old 04-12-2012, 09:29 PM
 
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Agreed. I think United will move its HQ to houston by 2018 (earlier if chicago guy lose next election). The management is (allmost) all continental now...


Yes, they should have kept the Continental name as its known for good service. But, I read, United name was chosen as its more 'known' (infamous?) globally ? How many americans heard about, Emirates Airline 10 years back..or Qatar airways..But, they are now the favorite airline for many.


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The merger between United and Continental must have made sense... but the calculation that HQ in Chicago is a smart move will be proven wrong over the long run. I have no clue why they put the HQ there other than compromise and it was a mistake. Continental was the more successful ariline of the two....but United was a bigger legacy carrier. Legacy means the past... we live in the beginning of the future.....
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Old 04-12-2012, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Up on the moon laughing down on you
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All of United's arguments that are phony about Hobby would be legitimate about Sugarland.
You think United's arguments are Phoney, Lufthansa is even worse.

Lufthansa a “nein” on Hobby going international | Houston Politics | a Chron.com blog

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we fear that any dilution of flow traffic through IAH will have a negative impact on our ability to sustain this service over the long term.
I can see SW dinging United a lil, but Lufthansa??? that is ridiculous.
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Old 04-12-2012, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Greater Houston
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Don't waste your time dreaming. SWA is willing to put $100 million into customs and terminal expansion in Hobby but not the billion dollars to rebuild an airport with baggage handling facilities, repair and maintenance hangars, parking garage, etc.
Why would they waste money to fix up a small aging decrepit airport when the capital can be better used to build a new bigger airport from scratch? Sometimes renovations cost more than building new!
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Old 04-13-2012, 02:23 AM
 
Location: ITL (Houston)
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You think United's arguments are Phoney, Lufthansa is even worse.

Lufthansa a “nein” on Hobby going international | Houston Politics | a Chron.com blog



I can see SW dinging United a lil, but Lufthansa??? that is ridiculous.
Just a Star Alliance member taking United's side.
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