Houston vs Seattle (Dallas, Galveston, League City: job transfer, university, living in)

[person]

Originally Posted by mpope409

Fair enough, but try to understand how your negativity towards a city/state that has had more than its fair share of criticism can be very very annoying. Not just to me, to many people. It gets old...quick.

Try to understand it is also equally annoying when ppl try to justify shortcomings of a city or make it into something it is not.

Justifying every little thing tend to make ppl complacent and gain acceptance of things that should have been improved. Our easy acceptance has made us very tolerant to politicians who slow progress of this city. We have even gain acceptance that even basic infrastructures like our inner loop roads are supposed to be be of low quality that it is. You don't help someone fight obesity by reinforcing to them that obesity is beautiful.

For example, if you think it is annoying that I play down things that you find good about Houston, I too find it annoying you play up things over something I considered bad/plain, or when you play down things we don't have, like say pike place. The difference is the things I like or don't like is backed by tourism. I know you have a different measurement system of whats great, but I like mine to be backed by ppl willing to spend their hard earned money to have a vacation in. So it is annoying but it goes both ways. This is a Houston forum, not a positive things only Houston forum. And even if there is a positive things only Houston forum, who is to decide which is positive and which is not. I like certain things here, it is very practical place, jobs, good suburbs, schools, affortable housing, but when I see things I considered not that nice, I would like to say it too. This is a forum after all.

Originally Posted by Jenbar

I lived there. For many years. *On occasion* we used it - but not as a regular place to go. My husband worked streets away from it, and avoided it. It's hectic, and crazy crowded and everyone just NEEDS to stand around and see the throwing of the fish. It was more of a place to take your out of town guests...

And to add to the pike place discussion. Pike place is not just a tourist place, or a mostly tourist place. Unlike many other tourist places, locals actually used it. How can ppl think its just a tourist place. How many tourists actually go buy fish. I used to live a few blocks down overlooking the stupid freeway (yeah its expensive) and shop there. Yes, It is annoying to have that many tourists but it gives great atmosphere and is a great place to buy produce, and I would gladly welcome something like that here.

[pwright1]

As a Seattle resident Pike Place Market is one of my favorite places to buy fresh fish and to just hang out. Its a great place for tourist and residence alike. I also buy fresh flowers there all the time or just lay in the grass and read a book. Plus its a great place to take pictures. Tourist do flock to Pike Place but many residents do too. Also with all the new condos u/c in dt Seattle many more locals will be down at Pike Place Market.

[mpope409]

Originally Posted by person

Try to understand it is also equally annoying when ppl try to justify shortcomings of a city or make it into something it is not.

No, what you need to understand is that these things are shortcomings to you. Not everybody. What you say is not set in stone.

And I'm not making Houston into anything that it isn't. Please believe that. But if you do not like it, get out, don't come back, and don't make self-righteous comments about it. For instance, I don't like San Francisco. I won't go back and I don't comment about the city because I know that my opinions about it could rub people the wrong way. Especially when I make it seem like they're all crazy for wanting to live there.

[person]

Originally Posted by mpope409

No, what you need to understand is that these things are shortcomings to you. Not everybody. What you say is not set in stone.

And I'm not making Houston into anything that it isn't. Please believe that. But if you do not like it, get out, don't come back, and don't make self-righteous comments about it. For instance, I don't like San Francisco. I won't go back and I don't comment about the city because I know that my opinions about it could rub people the wrong way. Especially when I make it seem like they're all crazy for wanting to live there.

And what you say about Houston is set in stone? What you need to understand is that these things are awesome to you. Not everybody. And when did I mentioned what I said is set in stone? I already stated again and again said I speak of my own and my visitors' opinions. And you can apply the same advice to yourself ... ie if you don't like what I said, you can do the same and leave, get out and don't come back. But I would rather have you here, cause then ppl can get a better idea of what this city is like, from different perspectives. Why should we censor opinions and perspectives of this city to just the ones you approved? You can censor yourself if you like and as you have to San Francisco or whichever city you choose to censor yourself. I however would like to give opinions on places I have lived in.

[mpope409]

Originally Posted by person

And what you say about Houston is set in stone? What you need to understand is that these things are awesome to you. Not everybody.

There's a difference between the two. I know the good things about this city, and my opinions about it are shared between me and millions of people who live here and don't want to leave. Think about your favorite city, and think about somebody coming in and telling you and everybody else that likes it there that it's too flawed to be worthy. You have to admit that guy would be pretty annoying.

But I would rather have you here, cause then ppl can get a better idea of what this city is like, from different perspectives. Why should we censor opinions and perspectives of this city to just the ones you approved? You can censor yourself if you like and as you have to San Francisco or whichever city you choose to censor yourself. I however would like to give opinions on places I have lived in.

You have a point, but the problem is that you and others do it in a way that you're pointing out the negatives of a city, but also saying that the positives aren't even worth it.

It doesn't matter anyway because I'm still convinced that only about 5% of the members on this entire website have even been here, and the other 95% are talking out the side of their kneck about what they've seen.

[person]

Originally Posted by mpope409

There's a difference between the two. I know the good things about this city, and my opinions about it are shared between me and millions of people who live here and don't want to leave. Think about your favorite city, and think about somebody coming in and telling you and everybody else that likes it there that it's too flawed to be worthy. You have to admit that guy would be pretty annoying.


You have a point, but the problem is that you and others do it in a way that you're pointing out the negatives of a city, but also saying that the positives aren't even worth it.

It doesn't matter anyway because I'm still convinced that only about 5% of the members on this entire website have even been here, and the other 95% are talking out the side of their kneck about what they've seen.

Yes, it would be annoying if I hear cities I liked criticized. but I would still want their opinions, cause I understand it is equally annoying to them that I keep touting what they think is a bad product. It is equally annoying to them that I keep playing up the positives or saying the negatives are worth it, especially if they experienced otherwise.

I am convinced that members who have experienced Houston in any way should give their input, I think some would be making it up more than it is, and some would play down the negatives, but I still want to hear all of them.

[mpope409]

Originally Posted by person

Yes, it would be annoying if I hear cities I liked criticized. but I would still want their opinions, cause I understand it is equally annoying to them that I keep touting what they think is a bad product. It is equally annoying to them that I keep playing up the positives or saying the negatives are worth it, especially if they experienced otherwise.

I am convinced that members who have experienced Houston in any way should give their input, I think some would be making it up more than it is, and some would play down the negatives, but I still want to hear all of them.

Well, that's you. In the end I still say that many people really have a stick up their you know what if they can't enjoy it here. Because in all actuality, the negatives are worth it. I'm happy, I'm healthy, and I'm enjoying life wholeheartedly in this city. And so is everybody else I associate with. Life is good here regardless of what it does or doesn't have. So I guess maybe the northern cities shouldn't come down here demanding the Sunbelt be like them, or vice versa. It's all in what you like.

[Wysiwyg]

Originally Posted by mpope409

Well, that's you. In the end I still say that many people really have a stick up their you know what if they can't enjoy it here. Because in all actuality, the negatives are worth it. I'm happy, I'm healthy, and I'm enjoying life wholeheartedly in this city. And so is everybody else I associate with. Life is good here regardless of what it does or doesn't have. So I guess maybe the northern cities shouldn't come down here demanding the Sunbelt be like them, or vice versa. It's all in what you like.

I thought you wished we compete with NYC, Seattle and Chicago with the tallest building idea of yours. I guess today you just downgraded houston to a sunbelt state.

[person]

Originally Posted by mpope409

Well, that's you. In the end I still say that many people really have a stick up their you know what if they can't enjoy it here. Because in all actuality, the negatives are worth it. I'm happy, I'm healthy, and I'm enjoying life wholeheartedly in this city. And so is everybody else I associate with. Life is good here regardless of what it does or doesn't have. So I guess maybe the northern cities shouldn't come down here demanding the Sunbelt be like them, or vice versa. It's all in what you like.

I am sure in their eyes, they think the same of you for trying to sell an average or defective product as a top notch one, because in actuality, negatives are negatives.

But I am happy for you that you are happy. And I don't want this place to become northern, I want it to become better, but not necessary be like northern or western.

[mpope409]

Originally Posted by Wysiwyg

I thought you wished we compete with NYC, Seattle and Chicago with the tallest building idea of yours. I guess today you just downgraded houston to a sunbelt state.

First of all, that's not what I said. Second, I didn't downgrade Houston to anything. The Sunbelt is not inferior to other places. Third, who says that a southern city can't have one of the tallest buildings? That has nothing to do with trying to be like the cities up north.