07-04-2012, 09:06 AM
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Just a small point. How well was Petroleum Engineering doing in the 90's??? Not all jobs pay great forever. Making a lifetime education decision based on a highest paid list today doesn't guarantee any particular future. As an individual, it is still important to work hard at what you love and stand out above the rest. Yes, some professions have a higher demand right now, but that doesn't mean it's for everybody or will always be that way.
07-04-2012, 09:33 AM
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Just a small point. How well was Petroleum Engineering doing in the 90's??? Not all jobs pay great forever. Making a lifetime education decision based on a highest paid list today doesn't guarantee any particular future. As an individual, it is still important to work hard at what you love and stand out above the rest. Yes, some professions have a higher demand right now, but that doesn't mean it's for everybody or will always be that way.
You missed my point above, in the 90s oil companies did slow or some even stopped hiring petroleum engineers.
Most today recognize that boom/bust mentality for an engineer hiring pattern plugs up the petroleum engineering university pipeline for talent. Now they hire ratably from universities in the low years so those majoring in this field will see jobs even if oil prices drop again signifcantly. Those already in the business do ok when the low prices hit as they are in management and the oils will move engineers to other areas like purchasing etc where the candidates are much more plentiful so laying off can be reversed by hiring from other industries when a boom hits and the engineers are needed back in engineering.
But I agree with your fundamental point that is a career which is at a peak now for pay will likely not always be at the top despite the current severe engineer shortage as the boomer engineers are retiring ot going to consulting so they can control their schedule and boss etc.
07-04-2012, 10:15 AM
Location: Mo City, TX
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I would have liked to be an NBA player (I hear they make millions) but that was NEVER going to happen no matter how hard I tried since I am only 5'10" and can't jump very high :-(
07-04-2012, 12:01 PM
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Anything in the medical field will continue to be a good bet. I'm surprised more people don't look to become physician assistants... good money and virtually the same job as a nurse practitioner without having to do all of that nursing first.
As for the snide comments on liberal arts majors, yes, it irks me too. We're not all the same. Many universities group majors like economics and psychology in with the College of Liberal Arts, even though these majors require much more analytic thought, use the scientific method, take statistics, etc. Which is a lot different than an English or history major, sorry. Some universities have these more analytic majors in a separate college and they earn a BS rather than a BA, which makes much more sense. But, I was going to UT-Austin over UH, so I had no control of that.
And by the way, I'd bet a lot of those who are #13 on the list were liberal arts majors if they weren't business. Same for #8. And #10 likely started out as a liberal arts major undergrad before going on to the advanced degree. So there!
07-04-2012, 04:10 PM
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I send articles like that to my friends with kids. They all want to know what jobs pay well, and contrary to many opinions, you dont just fall into them. They require planning and lots of class work.
I'm almost #4 as a chemical engineer but I work downstream.
Once upon a time a study was conducted to examine the correlation between being financially successful and loving what you do. I learned about this study 5-10 years ago so the details are pretty fuzzy for me now but I can still capture the general idea.
The study was a multi-year study beginning (I believe) with kids in university then tracked them for 20 years or something like that. I don't remember the number of kids in the study, but let's say it was 200.
100 kids were focusing on a particular area of study because it would lead to a job where they would make a lot of money.
100 kids were focusing on a particular area of study because they had a strong interest in the field, in other words they were pursuing something that they liked without regards for how much jobs paid.
At the end of the 20 or however many year study, there were 20 millionaires out of the 200 students (again, don't remember the exact number but I do remember the split below).
Of the 20, 1 belonged to one of the above groups, the other 19 belonged to the other group. So, which would group would you expect to hear the 19 were a part of?
Most people would say the 19 were a part of the group who pursued lines of study and careers because the jobs in those careers paid well. Actually, it was the other way around. Generally, the group that pursued things they were interested in far outperformed the group that pursued high paying jobs.
Moral of the story for me (and something I have observed myself consistently throughout my life): if you love what you do, you go to bed looking forward to the next day. You don't drag yourself through the week, you perform better in your job than others. You are more likely to excel.
If you pursue something for money, but don't have a true love for it then you are always looking forward to Friday, you are less motivated, you tend to under perform.
It is far better to encourage a young adult to pursue that which they truly love as opposed to steering them to high paying careers.
07-04-2012, 05:34 PM
Location: Houston, TX
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Good list for kids who are looking to get a degree that will lead to a high-paying job. Some people are motivated by making the most money possible. Others, while those are high-paying will choose to take a lesser paying career to seek a job in something they love. I have an "artsy" family member who makes enough to get by but is happy with life and happy with his work/life balance ... wouldn't be for me but is for him.
07-04-2012, 06:13 PM
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I agree with you here, there are a lot of colleges pushing kids into degrees that will be very hard to:
1) find a job
2) have a decent income.
3) have a stable income to raise a family, if one chooses to do so.
To be competitive one should strive for the best. Yes it does look like the list is science heavy as far as degrees go, but facts are facts. Not all professions pays the same...there are reasons for that. But again, if you are happy with what you do fine. In my family growing up there was (and still is) a strong emphasis to be either a Doctor or Engineer or Dentist. Interestingly, 90%+ of my family from my generation on are in those fields. My kids are also interested in following in my foot steps too
...To each there own. My reasoning was that I can't deal with the economic up down cycles so i am in a field that is recession proof...so far...
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Those statistics are right on the money for me(#4) and my wife(#1).
And yes you can be anything you can be as far as my concern goes. Get the education, start and improve your career, continue learning through your career, demonstrate you can do whatever you were trained in, end of the story.
Most of the kids should know in school what they want to do and they should be smart about the path they take maximizing their potential careers and income.
And "liberal arts major"? I won't make any coments about that.....
07-13-2012, 08:23 AM
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I was a liberal arts major (Industrial/Organizational psych) at a liberal state school in the Northeast...and I graduated with a BS in Psychology. I came out of school making over three quarters of #15's salary, and it's been on a steady upswing since. I'm now two years out and very happy....Hating on LA majors is kind of old and elitist. ....Also, my career is not on that list.
07-13-2012, 12:11 PM
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Just a small point. How well was Petroleum Engineering doing in the 90's??? Not all jobs pay great forever. Making a lifetime education decision based on a highest paid list today doesn't guarantee any particular future.
As long as there is electricity, I'll have a job
07-13-2012, 02:16 PM
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I've known more than just a few liberal arts majors that ended up making far more than a doctor...I wouldn't knock any degree. Success and salary have a lot to do with personality,likeability and connections.
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People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)