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Unread 08-03-2012, 07:42 AM
 
Location: Rocky Mountain Xplorer
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Haven't lived here long enough to know all the history but trying to fly directly out of Houston to anywhere in the world is really difficult. We have to fly to Dallas or Los Angeles. So my question....who is holding Houston back? I do not believe there is not a market. I think maybe our hub airlines have created an artificial market that makes us pay higher prices.[b] I think the Mayor understands this. [b] It shouldn't be so expensive to fly out of Houston....and we should have way more choices to fly to other parts of the world non-stop. We are booming and energy becomes more and more important everyday...so now is the time to bust open the shackles of repressed capitalism at our airports.
Mayor Parkers decision to open up Hobby to provide additional service to places like Tijuana effectively reduced the rate of expansion to international destination by United at IAH as evidenced by their cancellation of planned new nonstop service to New Zealand shortly after the Hobby announcement. So no the mayor obviously doesn't "understand" because she's the person who single-handedly is the most responsible for holding back international expansion in Houston.
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Unread 08-03-2012, 07:52 AM
 
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Actually United still benefits and earns revenue since they are both in the Star Alliance. Delta and KLM are doing the same things, cut direct routes and adding capacity to their partners home base for connecting traffic.
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Unread 08-03-2012, 08:00 AM
 
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You will have to forgive me if I do not take one Star Alliance member putting in a plug for another as absolute gospel. If the route supports it, then it supports it.

I have flown the A380 a few times on Korean Air from Seoul to Los Angeles. LA is not a Delta hub. Doesn't matter, the demand on that route supports the use of an A380. On the other hand, on the KAL Seoul to Atlanta flight (Delta's main hub), Korean Air does not currently use an A380.
Korean starts A380 to Atlanta in January 2013, it currently flies daily 777-300 and 777-200 three times weekly. Atlanta have a huge Korean population in Gwinnett Co.
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Unread 08-03-2012, 08:13 AM
 
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Mayor Parkers decision to open up Hobby to provide additional service to places like Tijuana effectively reduced the rate of expansion to international destination by United at IAH as evidenced by their cancellation of planned new nonstop service to New Zealand shortly after the Hobby announcement. So no the mayor obviously doesn't "understand" because she's the person who single-handedly is the most responsible for holding back international expansion in Houston.
You're knee slapingly funny. Southwest will grow Houston's presence in South America and the carribbean, lowering costs and driving more international traffic to Houston and if United can't offer anymore overpriced fares south to compensate for their losing money on the long distance routes, they'll give up the long distance routes and someone else can come try their hand or not. I'll take alot more traffic from our natural trading partners in the south compared with a few far flung direct flights to the pacific rim. You're continued bitterness in this discussion is hilarious to watch though.
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Unread 08-03-2012, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Rocky Mountain Xplorer
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Actually United still benefits and earns revenue since they are both in the Star Alliance. Delta and KLM are doing the same things, cut direct routes and adding capacity to their partners home base for connecting traffic.
Very true.
Neither the new service to Istanbul or the upgrade to A380 jumbo service to Frankfurt by Turkish Airlines & Lufthansa respectively would have happened without their Star alliance partner United and its hub at IAH.
Everybody including citys like Houston with these big hub carriers benefit from the international partnerships. Hopefully the recently added service by way of United and its membership in the Star alliance is not lost upon Houston's Mayor ? Maybe it's all been a "teachable moment" for her ?
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Unread 08-03-2012, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Houston
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You're knee slapingly funny. Southwest will grow Houston's presence in South America and the carribbean, lowering costs and driving more international traffic to Houston and if United can't offer anymore overpriced fares south to compensate for their losing money on the long distance routes, they'll give up the long distance routes and someone else can come try their hand or not. I'll take alot more traffic from our natural trading partners in the south compared with a few far flung direct flights to the pacific rim. You're continued bitterness in this discussion is hilarious to watch though.
What JimBaker488 doesn't understand is that United does not know how to deal with competition and changes in the industry.

Every business runs into industry snags whether it is from regulations, competition, etc. What makes a company grow is how they handle these snags and their response to them. United clearly doesn't understand nor do they have the capability to deal with competition and changes in the market place (United has CLEARLY demonstrated this flaw to the entire global industry).

Southwest is able to operated much cheaper than United. United needs to figure out how they are going to lure customers back to IAH but several changes are needed on UNITED'S part! United needs to take full responsibility to make these changes in the next 3 years:

1. Drastically increase customer service
2. Reduce cancelled and delayed flights by more than half
3. Reduce overall operating costs
4. Better market penetration by utilizing strategic point-to-point flights (similar to Southwest)
5. Fire Jeff Smisek and hire a more forward thinking corporate leader

Now, the above are things I think United should really focus on in the next 3 years. Southwest is so successful because they have completely penetrated the market place like it's no ones business. They do not rely on hub-to-hub flights like most domestic carriers. Maybe if United took note of this and try it out in a few places, they may find that they can fill planes much easier. Look at it this way, Southwest can completely fill a 737 flying out of Lubbock, TX going to Austin, TX! Neither city is a "hub" for Southwest.... just saying.
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Unread 08-03-2012, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Mayor Parkers decision to open up Hobby to provide additional service to places like Tijuana effectively reduced the rate of expansion to international destination by United at IAH as evidenced by their cancellation of planned new nonstop service to New Zealand shortly after the Hobby announcement. So no the mayor obviously doesn't "understand" because she's the person who single-handedly is the most responsible for holding back international expansion in Houston.
Flight from Hobby to Tijuana forced United to cancel their IAH to New Zealand nonstop service?

How does that make sense?
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Unread 08-03-2012, 01:16 PM
 
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Korean starts A380 to Atlanta in January 2013, it currently flies daily 777-300 and 777-200 three times weekly. Atlanta have a huge Korean population in Gwinnett Co.
Yes, I know.
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Unread 08-03-2012, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Hougary, Texberta
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Mayor Parkers decision to open up Hobby to provide additional service to places like Tijuana effectively reduced the rate of expansion to international destination by United at IAH as evidenced by their cancellation of planned new nonstop service to New Zealand shortly after the Hobby announcement. So no the mayor obviously doesn't "understand" because she's the person who single-handedly is the most responsible for holding back international expansion in Houston.
Except that the NZ route was dead in the water. It was supposed to come online winter of 2010. It was just convenient timing to kill it off. ANZ was going to offer it as a codeshare, then they backed out, UAH was going to step in, but between the economy and 787 delays it isn't worth it.

Correlation does not equal causation.
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Unread 08-03-2012, 10:19 PM
 
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Mayor Parkers decision to open up Hobby to provide additional service to places like Tijuana effectively reduced the rate of expansion to international destination by United at IAH as evidenced by their cancellation of planned new nonstop service to New Zealand shortly after the Hobby announcement. So no the mayor obviously doesn't "understand" because she's the person who single-handedly is the most responsible for holding back international expansion in Houston.
Didn't hurt Chicago....Midway International....O'Hare International...Chicago-Gary International Airport.
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