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Old 11-04-2015, 07:02 PM
 
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I am sure it exists, but it probably happens less frequently than say discrimination against someone for being a Christian...which happens ALL the time now.
No one is being discriminated against for being Christian. There are Christians who think that having secular laws that protect people the Christians don't like is discrimination against Christians, but it isn't. Being unable to force your religious views on someone else is not discriminating against you.
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Old 11-04-2015, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Thanks for the laugh! I needed it.

Christians think they are being persecuted because they cannot force their religion on other people. Gay people can be fired. You cant be fired for being a Christian. All this despite the fact that being a Christian is a choice, being gay isnt.

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Actually you can be fired. If your company doesn't want you to read your bible at lunch because just seeing it out offends someone who's not Christian. Right or wrong? It's not like the person had porn out in the open on his desk out but he violated a policy by openly displaying it. Fired for a policy violation. And, no I'm not naming the company because I know others who still work there and count on the income to support their family. Texas is a right to work state and your employer can fire you for any reason they feel like as long as they can justify it not being discrimination.
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Old 11-04-2015, 11:29 PM
 
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Actually you can be fired. If your company doesn't want you to read your bible at lunch because just seeing it out offends someone who's not Christian. Right or wrong? It's not like the person had porn out in the open on his desk out but he violated a policy by openly displaying it. Fired for a policy violation. And, no I'm not naming the company because I know others who still work there and count on the income to support their family. Texas is a right to work state and your employer can fire you for any reason they feel like as long as they can justify it not being discrimination.
Sounds like someone could have benefited from HERO. Oh well too bad. Open season for discrimination now.
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Old 11-05-2015, 01:56 AM
 
Location: A subtropical paradise
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Sounds like someone could have benefited from HERO. Oh well too bad. Open season for discrimination now.
People who voted against this ordinance either were purely ignorant/misinformed of what the ordinance was truly about, or just plain bigoted. The consequences of repealing this bill are many, and will surface rather violently, and now, nothing can be done. The Houstonians who voted against this bill basically dropped a tactical nuke on themselves, plain and simple.

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Old 11-05-2015, 06:25 AM
 
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People who voted against this ordinance either were purely ignorant/misinformed of what the ordinance was truly about, or just plain bigoted. The consequences of repealing this bill are many, and will surface rather violently, and now, nothing can be done. The Houstonians who voted against this bill basically dropped a tactical nuke on themselves, plain and simple.
Oh no, better evacuate! It's all over, we're doomed! Unbelievable...
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Old 11-05-2015, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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People who voted against this ordinance either were purely ignorant/misinformed of what the ordinance was truly about, or just plain bigoted. The consequences of repealing this bill are many, and will surface rather violently, and now, nothing can be done. The Houstonians who voted against this bill basically dropped a tactical nuke on themselves, plain and simple.
So violence is what this is all about. Gotcha. You know some folks have been stocking up and waiting 6 or 7 years for you people to try and pull something in their neighborhoods.
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Old 11-05-2015, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Non Extradition Country
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People who voted against this ordinance either were purely ignorant/misinformed of what the ordinance was truly about, or just plain bigoted. The consequences of repealing this bill are many, and will surface rather violently, and now, nothing can be done. The Houstonians who voted against this bill basically dropped a tactical nuke on themselves, plain and simple.
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Old 11-05-2015, 08:24 AM
 
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People who voted against this ordinance either were purely ignorant/misinformed of what the ordinance was truly about, or just plain bigoted. The consequences of repealing this bill are many, and will surface rather violently, and now, nothing can be done. The Houstonians who voted against this bill basically dropped a tactical nuke on themselves, plain and simple.
That is one of THE most ignorant statements I have read on CD....You are clearly the one who is misinformed. Your clear bias in favor of the ordinance has clouded your ability to actually read the plaint letter of the ordinance and then comprehend fully what that language means to the general population.

Did the ordinance have some good things, and protect the rights of some people who are currently unprotected? Yes it did and the loss of those good protections is unfortunate.

Mayor Parker went too far by adding the gender identity issue to the ordinance, and then removing the affirmative defense. SHE WENT TO FAR. If it were not for the gender identity section allowing use of the bathroom of choice NOBODY would have fought this ordinance at all...NOBODY. She then made the TERMINAL mistake of subpoenaing the pastors sermons, and she crossed the line ensuring that the fight would not be abandoned by the organized Churches.

It comes down to a very basic issue. There is no right to use the restroom of the gender in which you feel most comfortable. That is not a right, its a feeling. Transgendered folks may feel uncomfortable, but they do not have any greater right to feel comfortable than anyone else. 0.3% of the population is transgendered. Sometimes, even though its uncomfortable, you have to step back and say look....we can't make everyone happy all of the time....99.7% of people dont have a problem, and if we change everything to accommodate the 0.3% we are creating a bigger problem than we are solving. PERIOD. That is the precise reason that the ordinance was obliterated at the polls.

I feel sorry for transgendered folks that they are confused about their sex, that they are uncomfortable in the body they were born. But we do not need to cater our laws and businesses around ensuing they do not have hurt feelings.

And I have no fear of economic backlash as the losers want us to fear....The LGBT community tried this same attack strategy on Chick-Fil-A and it was probably the single biggest boost for Chick-Fil-A ever. If some progressive company pulls out of an event, a conservative one will replace it just to make a point, it happens ALL the time. Like it or not, the majority of Americans will not participate in boycotts, and change/rearrange change plans, just b.c a City ordinance failed...its just not important to businesses. The NFL Commissioner said it yesterday. They said the Superbowl will not, under any circumstance, change its plans b/c of this action.

The ordinance will be back without the gender identity bathroom issue, and it will pass, and nobody will care. That is what will happen and that is what should have happened in the first place. Hopefully when it is redrafted, the officials will also do away with the jury free fining system and make it more business friendly.
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Old 11-05-2015, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Northwest Houston
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The ordinance will be back without the gender identity bathroom issue, and it will pass, and nobody will care. That is what will happen and that is what should have happened in the first place. Hopefully when it is redrafted, the officials will also do away with the jury free fining system and make it more business friendly.
This is exactly my point of view on this. Even though I supported HERO in its original form I will be just as happy with a similar ordinance with a "bathroom exemption" . Lets get it done expeditiously and move on.
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Old 11-05-2015, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Waterworld
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That is one of THE most ignorant statements I have read on CD....You are clearly the one who is misinformed. Your clear bias in favor of the ordinance has clouded your ability to actually read the plaint letter of the ordinance and then comprehend fully what that language means to the general population.

Did the ordinance have some good things, and protect the rights of some people who are currently unprotected? Yes it did and the loss of those good protections is unfortunate.

Mayor Parker went too far by adding the gender identity issue to the ordinance, and then removing the affirmative defense. SHE WENT TO FAR. If it were not for the gender identity section allowing use of the bathroom of choice NOBODY would have fought this ordinance at all...NOBODY. She then made the TERMINAL mistake of subpoenaing the pastors sermons, and she crossed the line ensuring that the fight would not be abandoned by the organized Churches.

It comes down to a very basic issue. There is no right to use the restroom of the gender in which you feel most comfortable. That is not a right, its a feeling. Transgendered folks may feel uncomfortable, but they do not have any greater right to feel comfortable than anyone else. 0.3% of the population is transgendered. Sometimes, even though its uncomfortable, you have to step back and say look....we can't make everyone happy all of the time....99.7% of people dont have a problem, and if we change everything to accommodate the 0.3% we are creating a bigger problem than we are solving. PERIOD. That is the precise reason that the ordinance was obliterated at the polls.

I feel sorry for transgendered folks that they are confused about their sex, that they are uncomfortable in the body they were born. But we do not need to cater our laws and businesses around ensuing they do not have hurt feelings.

And I have no fear of economic backlash as the losers want us to fear....The LGBT community tried this same attack strategy on Chick-Fil-A and it was probably the single biggest boost for Chick-Fil-A ever. If some progressive company pulls out of an event, a conservative one will replace it just to make a point, it happens ALL the time. Like it or not, the majority of Americans will not participate in boycotts, and change/rearrange change plans, just b.c a City ordinance failed...its just not important to businesses. The NFL Commissioner said it yesterday. They said the Superbowl will not, under any circumstance, change its plans b/c of this action.

The ordinance will be back without the gender identity bathroom issue, and it will pass, and nobody will care. That is what will happen and that is what should have happened in the first place. Hopefully when it is redrafted, the officials will also do away with the jury free fining system and make it more business friendly.
It cannot be put any better than this. /thread
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