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Old 07-13-2016, 01:53 PM
 
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Because the topic is strictly about the city operation and function, in the past vs today.
Is paradise lost due to city operation and function?
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Old 07-13-2016, 02:18 PM
 
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Is paradise lost due to city operation and function?
No, but it doesn't matter because it isn't part of the topic at hand.
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Old 07-13-2016, 03:36 PM
 
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Old Houston pretty much had everything that current day Houston is said to lack ... [such as] wide-spread public transit
LOL Yeah right. I "double-dog" dare you to provide examples of alleged old time "public transit" that was better/superior to what exists today. Sometimes I get the impression that this thread is entirely farcical, and not to be taken seriously.

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Old 07-13-2016, 03:58 PM
 
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LOL Yeah right. I "double-dog" dare you to provide examples of alleged old time "public transit" that was better/superior to what exists today. Sometimes I get the impression that this thread is entirely farcical, and not to be taken seriously.
Okay. Learn about the history of your own city, starting with these:
Discovery illuminates history of Houston's streetcars - Houston Chronicle
Houston Streetcars Home Page

How about having rail all the way down to the beaches?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galves...ectric_Railway
La Porte Heritage Society | La Porte, TX - Official Website
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Old 07-13-2016, 04:52 PM
 
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Streetcars were inferior to modern cars and buses, including being slower in speed and open to the elements. They were also confined to tracks, and limited in their movement, unlike modern vehicles. So those don't count.

The Interurban railway took much longer than cars to go between Houston and Galveston due to slower speeds and having to stop at various towns along the way to drop off and pick up people. The one going to La Porte went especially out of the way (hint: look at a map and see where La Porte is in relation to Houston and Galveston). The railcars also did not have A/C. So the Interurban doesn't count either. The Interurban tracks were all pulled up and turned to scrap over time as technology progressed and people chose cars as their preference. Looks like it wasn't that great after all. Kind of shatters the whole myth, huh?

I didn't have to turn to any research just now because these are things I've known about and researched for decades.

We're still waiting for valid examples. You haven't proven any superiority of infrastructure in older days, just misguidedness in your interpretations and assumptions. We still see thinking stuck in dreamland mode.

Maybe it's time to run around Bad New Houston wildly with an "Old Houston Rocks" T-shirt. Here's the music to accompany your gleeful performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5xMBflnJqY

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Old 07-13-2016, 06:01 PM
 
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Streetcars were inferior to modern cars and buses, including being slower in speed and open to the elements. They were also confined to tracks, and limited in their movement, unlike modern vehicles. So those don't count.

The Interurban railway took much longer than cars to go between Houston and Galveston due to slower speeds and having to stop at various towns along the way to drop off and pick up people. The one going to La Porte went especially out of the way (hint: look at a map and see where La Porte is in relation to Houston and Galveston). The railcars also did not have A/C. So the Interurban doesn't count either. The Interurban tracks were all pulled up and turned to scrap over time as technology progressed and people chose cars as their preference. Looks like it wasn't that great after all. Kind of shatters the whole myth, huh?
Can't follow a discussion, can you? The point at hand was pertaining solely to mass transit coverage in those times vs what we have today; the technological disparities have nothing to do with that. The public transit rail in Houston, as of time of writing, has yet to expand beyond Harris County; meanwhile, rail back stretched from Houston all the way to Galveston and La Porte. People in Houston today would kill for the kind of rail coverage the city had in the past. People in the mid century may having chose the path of the car, but the future generations are looking back, and realizing what a big mistake that was. If only the forefathers had more foresight, and not scrapped the rail; the system would have expanded to include many new districts/sectors that developed as the metro grew. Of course, as technology progressed, the trolleys/street cars would have gotten replaced with more advanced trains where fit (light rail, heavy rail, bullet train, etc).

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We're still waiting for valid examples. You haven't proven any superiority of infrastructure in older days, just misguidedness in your interpretations and assumptions. We still see thinking stuck in dreamland mode.

Maybe it's time to run around Bad New Houston wildly with an "Old Houston Rocks" T-shirt. Here's the music to accompany your gleeful performance:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5xMBflnJqY
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Old 07-13-2016, 07:35 PM
 
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Why wish to do what you have demonstrated quite well?

Why do you wish to demonstrate that which isnt true?
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Old 07-13-2016, 08:12 PM
 
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Why do you wish to demonstrate that which isnt true?
Why would I demonstrate something that wasn't true? Everything I stated throughout this thread is truth backed by historical context and fact. A fantastic book, written by Steven Strom, explains much of this:
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...0and%20unbuilt
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Old 07-13-2016, 09:28 PM
 
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Why would I demonstrate something that wasn't true? Everything I stated throughout this thread is truth backed by historical context and fact. A fantastic book, written by Steven Strom, explains much of this:
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourcei...0and%20unbuilt


Thats the lingering question, isnt it?
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Old 07-13-2016, 10:00 PM
 
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Thats the lingering question, isnt it?
Who knows?
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