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Old 07-25-2018, 05:33 PM
 
Location: South Austin, 78745
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In my mind, there are few things more consistent with the Yankee mentality and way of life than union membership.
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I don't know about all that, and I'm no fan of unions, but if it wasn't for the unions, these big corporations would still be treating their blue collar workers with no respect or dignity. Now-a-days, they want to keep out the union so they treat their blue collar workers in a fair and respectful way. It wasn't like that before unions.
Now these companies realize the happier their workers are, the better job they will do and the more profitable the company will become. At the same time, most workers feel they are being treated fair and respected so nobody is calling for a union.

That's why it's important to remember what brought unions about in the 1st place or we're liable to go back to those days of mandatory 48 to 60 hour work weeks, no overtime, no vacation, no benefits, no sick time, no job security. Totally at the mercy of the company.
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Old 07-25-2018, 07:50 PM
 
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I don't know about all that, and I'm no fan of unions, but if it wasn't for the unions, these big corporations would still be treating their blue collar workers with no respect or dignity. Now-a-days, they want to keep out the union so they treat their blue collar workers in a fair and respectful way. It wasn't like that before unions.
Now these companies realize the happier their workers are, the better job they will do and the more profitable the company will become. At the same time, most workers feel they are being treated fair and respected so nobody is calling for a union.

That's why it's important to remember what brought unions about in the 1st place or we're liable to go back to those days of mandatory 48 to 60 hour work weeks, no overtime, no vacation, no benefits, no sick time, no job security. Totally at the mercy of the company.
My point wasn't really about unions themselves. It was more about how different the Yankee view of unions is compared to the south. Unions are baked into the laws and culture up there in a way that's foreign to Southerners. As others have said, there is a perception in union states that everyone not in a union is going to be terribly exploited. I know it sounds crazy but I have talked with people that think this.

As a southerner, unions strike me as parasitic semi organized crime rings that compel tributes under the threat of unemployment. From my perspective, it is absolute insanity that people can be compelled to pay dues to non-governmental organizations they detest. These are very stark differences between the northern and southern view of unionization.

In my opinion, the labor market in Texas works reasonably well as a market. There is high employer demand for certain types of positions and compensation reflects demand and scarcity.
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Old 07-26-2018, 01:11 PM
 
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Hello,

I'm placing this in the Houston forum area because we're looking to move to Houston coming from the North where there are a lot more unions. My husband is currently at a job that is union protected and, while I know outside of the North unions aren't as popular, I wanted to see if we've covered our bases. Sidenote: My family is from Texas and I LOVE it there and LOVE the people in Texas every time we go. Very excited about this and couldn't get out of the north and away from the Yankee mentality and "way of life" fast enough.

I'm assuming all government and city jobs would fall under this. Can anyone else provide me with a list of names of companies in the Houston (or Texas) area that are part of a union with a pension possibly? (Particularly in the utilities sector or any company that employs higher level "blue collar" professionals-- he makes ). My partner has strong experience as an LNG Mechanic (liquified natural gas) which is pretty specialized, but also has an environmental background along with extensive demolition experience (and a Bachelor's Degree) so while he loves his specific position he was even open to something in the firefighting and/or city planning in the past.

Can you please tell me which places offer unionized jobs based on this? Thank you
Pardon me for the stupid question but isn't this something that the union(s) he's been paying dues to for his career should help with? Do unions not help their members with things like relocation assistance, union to union transfers or even finding openings in other areas within the same labor union?
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Old 07-26-2018, 01:46 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh N. Hills / Houston-Clear Lake
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I was just thinking if I could request a Venn diagram of Trump voters and Union supporters. Funny because Unions seem like a very socialist system to me.
Much of Pennsylvania would be in the center of that Venn diagram you're looking for.
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Old 07-26-2018, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Pipe fitters, plumbers, electricians, the trades. However, there are so many non unions doing these trades for less that it’s hard to compete.
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Old 07-27-2018, 08:04 AM
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Location: Katy,TX.
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Hello,

I'm placing this in the Houston forum area because we're looking to move to Houston coming from the North where there are a lot more unions. My husband is currently at a job that is union protected and, while I know outside of the North unions aren't as popular, I wanted to see if we've covered our bases. Sidenote: My family is from Texas and I LOVE it there and LOVE the people in Texas every time we go. Very excited about this and couldn't get out of the north and away from the Yankee mentality and "way of life" fast enough.

I'm assuming all government and city jobs would fall under this. Can anyone else provide me with a list of names of companies in the Houston (or Texas) area that are part of a union with a pension possibly? (Particularly in the utilities sector or any company that employs higher level "blue collar" professionals-- he makes ). My partner has strong experience as an LNG Mechanic (liquified natural gas) which is pretty specialized, but also has an environmental background along with extensive demolition experience (and a Bachelor's Degree) so while he loves his specific position he was even open to something in the firefighting and/or city planning in the past.

Can you please tell me which places offer unionized jobs based on this? Thank you
Texas is a right to work state, Unions are not strong here due to the boot licking rat mentality. From my understanding most city of Houston jobs have a union. The refinery Plants and utility company (Centerpoint) also have unions. The Railroads are covered under federal laws and are exempt from Texas's right to work laws. Pretty much every trade have a union chapter in Texas. Good luck with your search.
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Old 08-03-2018, 10:40 AM
 
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Texas is a right to work state, Unions are not strong here due to the boot licking rat mentality. From my understanding most city of Houston jobs have a union. The refinery Plants and utility company (Centerpoint) also have unions. The Railroads are covered under federal laws and are exempt from Texas's right to work laws. Pretty much every trade have a union chapter in Texas. Good luck with your search.
Thank you! A solid answer instead of a bunch of union bashing.

Sigh.. I get what people are saying about unions. SOME people absolutely DO abuse them and it's very sad because unions are great...and since most of you are inquiring..YES, in places like NYC and other places, without unions you get screwed quite bad.

Unions are a great thing, actually. The people who abuse it. Not so much.

I've worked mostly non-union positions and I cannot tell you how many times I've seen otherwise great workers get screwed over.. 25+ years to the company and they smile in their face, let them go and replace them with 2 young college graduates for less than what they paid them...and that's only ONE example.

This is why unions are still a thing.

My husband is a very hard worker but on the flipside..yep..there are absolutely groups of people who abuse the heck out of the union and are lazy good for nothings.

I wouldn't be so quick to bash unions. But perhaps down south the employers are much friendlier or something. I've lived all over and seen big corps (and small) screw good employees over many times even knowing what they're doing is borderline illegal or outright illegal but knowing the employee doesn't have the time or resources to sue.
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Old 08-05-2018, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Thank you! A solid answer instead of a bunch of union bashing.

Sigh.. I get what people are saying about unions. SOME people absolutely DO abuse them and it's very sad because unions are great...and since most of you are inquiring..YES, in places like NYC and other places, without unions you get screwed quite bad.

Unions are a great thing, actually. The people who abuse it. Not so much.

I've worked mostly non-union positions and I cannot tell you how many times I've seen otherwise great workers get screwed over.. 25+ years to the company and they smile in their face, let them go and replace them with 2 young college graduates for less than what they paid them...and that's only ONE example.

This is why unions are still a thing.

My husband is a very hard worker but on the flipside..yep..there are absolutely groups of people who abuse the heck out of the union and are lazy good for nothings.

I wouldn't be so quick to bash unions. But perhaps down south the employers are much friendlier or something. I've lived all over and seen big corps (and small) screw good employees over many times even knowing what they're doing is borderline illegal or outright illegal but knowing the employee doesn't have the time or resources to sue.
Wow employers in the south are better to work for than those in the north. I can't argue with that but it is the first time I've seen it.

BTW another abuse is that a chunk of your union dues always go to one of the two big political parties. Laws have been passed to let you opt out of political donations and help you get back what has been paid into them but those lawas don't seem to help very much.

Too - there are scads of automotive manufacturing plants in the south, mostly foreign owned, and the majority of the employees of every foreign owned plant have voted unionism down and are very happy to be treated well and not be paying those union dues.
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Old 08-06-2018, 08:32 AM
 
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Thank you! A solid answer instead of a bunch of union bashing.

Sigh.. I get what people are saying about unions. SOME people absolutely DO abuse them and it's very sad because unions are great...and since most of you are inquiring..YES, in places like NYC and other places, without unions you get screwed quite bad.

Unions are a great thing, actually. The people who abuse it. Not so much.

I've worked mostly non-union positions and I cannot tell you how many times I've seen otherwise great workers get screwed over.. 25+ years to the company and they smile in their face, let them go and replace them with 2 young college graduates for less than what they paid them...and that's only ONE example.

This is why unions are still a thing.

My husband is a very hard worker but on the flipside..yep..there are absolutely groups of people who abuse the heck out of the union and are lazy good for nothings.

I wouldn't be so quick to bash unions. But perhaps down south the employers are much friendlier or something. I've lived all over and seen big corps (and small) screw good employees over many times even knowing what they're doing is borderline illegal or outright illegal but knowing the employee doesn't have the time or resources to sue.
If unions are very important to your family, non-union states might not be the best place for you all to settle, particularly if you can't find union work (which is highly likely). If someone starts talking about unions a lot at work, they are likely to go on management's caca list pretty fast. Most co-workers won't want to hear it either.

If you want to move here for the economy, keep in mind that one of the reasons the economy is strong here is because unions are weak. It's a lot easier to be competitive if you don't have to pay unskilled laborers $60,000 to take cardboard to the incinerator.
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