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Old 07-26-2018, 12:23 PM
 
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The City of Houston missed out on a huge opportunity for improvement and growth when it elected this corrupt idiot to office instead of Bill King.

https://empowertexans.com/around-tex...llot-petition/

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Last week, frustrated by the constant delay, a group of council members called a special meeting to address why the mayor still hasn’t brought the Houston firefighters’ pay parity petition to council for a vote. After that became news, Turner claimed he was already planning a committee hearing on the exact topic. The council-called meeting failed to muster a quorum and after, Turner issued a statement saying, “The public has a right [to know] the facts about the referendum before it votes. Council members should not want to hide the facts from them.”

Turner’s attempt at cajoling the public into believing it is council who is standing in the way of the truth, rather than him, is laughable. In an effort to further delay, he has used his political knack to seamlessly mesh two very distinct issues, the first being the petition process and the second being the actual question of pay parity.
Mayor Turner (D) has screwed over Houston's Police and FireFighters every chance he's gotten, it's no wonder people are fed up with him.
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Old 07-26-2018, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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The City of Houston missed out on a huge opportunity for improvement and growth when it elected this corrupt idiot to office instead of Bill King.

https://empowertexans.com/around-tex...llot-petition/



Mayor Turner (D) has screwed over Houston's Police and FireFighters every chance he's gotten, it's no wonder people are fed up with him.
Oh boy! A link from a right wing website. How I thank you for posting that.
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Old 07-26-2018, 12:39 PM
 
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Oh boy! A link from a right wing website. How I thank you for posting that.
How about ABC13's story about Sylvester Turner's old press secretary that he tried covering up for?

Darian Ward, ex-press secretary for Houston mayor, indicted over withheld emails | abc13.com

Is that also a right wing website?
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Old 07-26-2018, 12:40 PM
 
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How about ABC 13 talking about the FireFighter pay petition that he's been stonewalling for while now?

Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner scolds council over firefighter's pay petition | abc13.com

Too right wing for you?
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Old 07-26-2018, 01:17 PM
 
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Firefighters union is trying to make Mayor Turner the issue when the real issue is that City offered Firefighters a 9.5% over 3yrs. That means a 1st yr firefighter who makes $43K would have $4,000 raise. Fire wants a 20-25% raise or about $11,000 for that same 1st yr firefighter. The latter seem excessive to me. The Houston Police Union is oppose to pay parity with fire for many reasons, but mainly because they don't do the same job. HFD should be looking to other fire dept. in other cities for pay comparison.
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Old 07-26-2018, 01:34 PM
 
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Firefighters union is trying to make Mayor Turner the issue when the real issue is that City offered Firefighters a 9.5% over 3yrs. That means a 1st yr firefighter who makes $43K would have $4,000 raise. Fire wants a 20-25% raise or about $11,000 for that same 1st yr firefighter. The latter seem excessive to me. The Houston Police Union is oppose to pay parity with fire for many reasons, but mainly because they don't do the same job. HFD should be looking to other fire dept. in other cities for pay comparison.
Right now the Houston FireFighters are making about $15K a year less than a Houston Police Officer.
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Old 07-26-2018, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Houston/Brenham
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Right now the Houston FireFighters are making about $15K a year less than a Houston Police Officer.
As well they should. Jobs are different, opportunities for part-time work are different, pensions are different.

The pay is fairly set as it is NOW. And I have a feeling if it goes to a vote, it will be soundly defeated.
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Old 07-26-2018, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Houston/Brenham
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Mayor Turner (D) has screwed over Houston's Police and FireFighters every chance he's gotten, it's no wonder people are fed up with him.
Two points. One, every time you post (D) after Turner, you are politicizing your post. Instead of a rational discussion, you make it a political discussion.

Second, don't you find it odd, that a (D), a supposed friend of the city unions, has "screwed over" the police/fire? Do you think it's possible he's doing the right thing for HOUSTON, regardless of how the chips may fall?

I'll throw in a third point at no charge: People aren't fed up. He's actually done a pretty good job, all things considered. I voted for Bill King, but have come to admire how the Mayor has tackled our never-ending problems. But you hated him from the start (I've seen your older posts; you seem to have an almost vitriolic dislike of him), so no matter what he does, he's terrible.

I'm one of those people who did not like Sylvester Turner before, but now respect the job he does. It's called being impartial, something many right-wing advocates seem unable to do.
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Old 07-26-2018, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Two points. One, every time you post (D) after Turner, you are politicizing your post. Instead of a rational discussion, you make it a political discussion.

Second, don't you find it odd, that a (D), a supposed friend of the city unions, has "screwed over" the police/fire? Do you think it's possible he's doing the right thing for HOUSTON, regardless of how the chips may fall?

I'll throw in a third point at no charge: People aren't fed up. He's actually done a pretty good job, all things considered. I voted for Bill King, but have come to admire how the Mayor has tackled our never-ending problems. But you hated him from the start (I've seen your older posts; you seem to have an almost vitriolic dislike of him), so no matter what he does, he's terrible.

I'm one of those people who did not like Sylvester Turner before, but now respect the job he does. It's called being impartial, something many right-wing advocates seem unable to do.
Seriously. As soon as I saw the "(D)" he kept putting next to Turners name, I knew I could discount his opinions. Id do the same thing if he put "(R)" there.
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Old 07-26-2018, 05:26 PM
 
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Right now the Houston FireFighters are making about $15K a year less than a Houston Police Officer.
So what? HFD doesn't have any problems getting candidates for fire cadet classes, so the pay must be OK.

The firefighters need to be careful what they ask for. If their pay goes up, I want one third of them gone the next day, and all shifts converted to 8 hours instead of 2 24 hour shifts a week. That will prevent the firefighters from working those lucrative side jobs that nearly all of them have.

The City can't afford to pay firefighters more. The revenue cap prevents raising taxes, and there's not anything to cut to cover the estimated $80 million cost of the proposal. Police and fire costs are currently higher than all the property tax collected by the City, and nearly 60% of the budget.
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