Police Shooting in Bellaire (Houston, Cool: power lines, credit, university)

[Wysiwyg]

Originally Posted by MrSykes

Easy to say when you're not the one constantly being profiled, singled out, and made an example of, no matter how much effort you put into being an upstanding citizen DESPITE how you are viewed on a social level. It's like a little voice constantly screaming "You're a potential danger to civil society" over and over again in your ear no matter how hard you try to counter it, supplant it or tune it out. It's no wonder some minorities tend to become a bit neurotic over race.

i bet you i have more traffic tickets that came out of profiling than you do. I've had my time in NJ ya know where state cops all look like dolph lundgren. i've even got suspended thanks to my snowboarding jacket collars covering my face as I wait at the traffic light beside a cop car. but you know i lived near affluent neighborhoods and bad ghetto ones and theres a lot of tension in the air. I hated that last cop that gave me a ticket, i know where he moonlights as a that business site cop and wanted to kill him on the spot.
I'm a home owner now and have family to protect. I wish every new face in my neighborhood would be vetted but thats not gonna happen. we got cops roam our nieghborhoods regularly. they have to go with gut feeling and check on anything thats 'unusual' like moving trucks, open garages, NOLA looking thugs. Thats life in certain areas, I would be very glad if a cop rings my doorbell and find out if everything is ok.
I'm not a bit sorry you're black nor I am asian. I also dont think our 'set backs' on the street is as bad as our challenges in the professional and dating world

[LostInHouston]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

It fails to provide "said" contraband. Could have been something as minor as possessing a knife that was half an inch too long or as serious as being caught smuggling a few Ecstacy pills from Canada. Piddly stuff.

Now you are just grasping at straws in order to rationalize your opposition to the findings.

[LostInHouston]

Originally Posted by Wysiwyg

i bet you i have more traffic tickets that came out of profiling than you do. I've had my time in NJ ya know where state cops all look like dolph lundgren. i've even got suspended thanks to my snowboarding jacket collars covering my face as I wait at the traffic light beside a cop car. but you know i lived near affluent neighborhoods and bad ghetto ones and theres a lot of tension in the air. I hated that last cop that gave me a ticket, i know where he moonlights as a that business site cop and wanted to kill him on the spot.
I'm a home owner now and have family to protect. I wish every new face in my neighborhood would be vetted but thats not gonna happen. we got cops roam our nieghborhoods regularly. they have to go with gut feeling and check on anything thats 'unusual' like moving trucks, open garages, NOLA looking thugs. Thats life in certain areas, I would be very glad if a cop rings my doorbell and find out if everything is ok.
I'm not a bit sorry you're black nor I am asian. I also dont think our 'set backs' on the street is as bad as our challenges in the professional and dating world

You are still missing the point. Not only is racial profiling unconstitutional, not only does it violate civil rights laws, but it has been shown to be an ineffective strategy. Talk to anyone with half a brain in intelligence or law enforcement and they tell you the two most effective strategies are behavior profiling and solid intelligence. By all means check out the guy who's giving off signals that he's up to something... look into that open garage door or that unusual looking moving van, but don't shakedown the young dark skinned fellow for no reason other than crime statistics being higher amongst people who look like him.

[MrSykes]

Originally Posted by Wysiwyg

i bet you i have more traffic tickets that came out of profiling than you do. I've had my time in NJ ya know where state cops all look like dolph lundgren. i've even got suspended thanks to my snowboarding jacket collars covering my face as I wait at the traffic light beside a cop car. but you know i lived near affluent neighborhoods and bad ghetto ones and theres a lot of tension in the air. I hated that last cop that gave me a ticket, i know where he moonlights as a that business site cop and wanted to kill him on the spot.
I'm a home owner now and have family to protect. I wish every new face in my neighborhood would be vetted but thats not gonna happen. we got cops roam our nieghborhoods regularly. they have to go with gut feeling and check on anything thats 'unusual' like moving trucks, open garages, NOLA looking thugs. Thats life in certain areas, I would be very glad if a cop rings my doorbell and find out if everything is ok.

Dolph Lundgren. That's funny.

It's a scary world out there man. And complicated. Cops have to walk a treacherous tightrope in dealing with both the safety of the community and respecting the civil rights of its law-abiding citizens.

It's not a perfect system. Will never be. Public safety and civil rights will perhaps never achieve total cooperative symbiosis. I realize that. But I am of the persuasion that through constant training and refinement of community policing techniques, those who serve can be more empowered to navigate that treacherous line more gracefully and efficiently. Maintaining a healthy balance needs to be at the forefront of every system of law enforcement.

And despite what I think about the scumbucket in Bellaire, I know that there are good cops out there who are committed to the utmost professionalism even in the most tense of circumstances.

Originally Posted by Wysiwyg

I'm not a bit sorry you're black nor I am asian. I also dont think our 'set backs' on the street is as bad as our challenges in the professional and dating world

In the grand scheme of things, you're absolutely right.

And I agree that there's never any room for self-pity. Only empowerment. But by the same token we should not be made to apologize for who we are either, especially to those who needlessly allow themselves to be threatened by it.

[Wysiwyg]

Originally Posted by LostInHouston

You are still missing the point. Not only is racial profiling unconstitutional, not only does it violate civil rights laws, but it has been shown to be an ineffective strategy. Talk to anyone with half a brain in intelligence or law enforcement and they tell you the two most effective strategies are behavior profiling and solid intelligence. By all means check out the guy who's giving off signals that he's up to something... look into that open garage door or that unusual looking moving van, but don't shakedown the young dark skinned fellow for no reason other than crime statistics being higher amongst people who look like him.

believe I can also say you dont get the point. being non-white means you have to work harder in most cases - that includes looking better, wearing pants properly, wearing right sized shirts, wear something not comfortable jumping walls and running away from cops, not perspiring, keeping your voice to yourself, having traditional haircuts and maybe practicing a friendly wave/smile like everyone else. everything opposite those smells like a cop hater or someone like you who feel oppressed and fighting back

[Ransomed]

Originally Posted by usc619

Mr. Sykes and LostInHouston, you folks really need to quit using common sense. This is a message board for goodness sake.

ditto. SMH

[Metro Matt]

Originally Posted by LostInHouston

Now you are just grasping at straws in order to rationalize your opposition to the findings.

I'm here for educated & as accurate of information as possible, not excuses. If your Googled statistics can't list such "contraband" it should be taken with a grain of salt as it seems very questionable to say the least.

[LostInHouston]

Originally Posted by Metro Matt

I'm here for educated & as accurate of information as possible, not excuses.

You do realize that you are the one who initially rebuked the stats simply because you thought (and didn't take the time to verify) that the researchers didn't talk into account the racial population distribution of the sample.

[Black Jack22]

Originally Posted by Wysiwyg

why is this an issue? profiling is probably the biggest factor in safety and security. its hard to police a place where everyone looks like theyre up to no good (or matches a perps description). it sucks your description lookalikes are into home invasions. it sucks my people are into unregister/illegal cars. it also sucks that middleeastern/indian people are singled out at airports. its work for security folks to check their leads even tho its as vague as skin tone/shape of eyes

Cops will racially profile a good looking black guy wearing nice clothes in a $200,000 sports car if they want to but will mostly likely stop questioning him once they find out he is the city's professional star athlete making 10 million a year.

Yet whites commit most of the crimes and are more times likely to use drugs than blacks. Did you know that is not that uncommon for rich whites to use drugs, especially the white suburban teens who sell and buy ecstacy, pain killers and coccaine in high schools and colleges? You do know that white kids and white adults make drug deals with black/hispanic gang members? You think all graffiti and vandalism are done by blacks and hispanics?

You think that preppy white college student who goes to a fine college is less likely to use drugs than a black person wearing baggy jeans...hell no. I went to a mostly white college(U of H) and the I can easily tell you that the whites were involved in using illegal drugs as much and more than the minorities at the school.

Who do you think are keeping drugs circulated in America? Do you know how our government keeps drugs coming into America for our economy to run? Whites run all kinds of scams in this country, are more likely to be psychopathic killers.

More corporate white businessmen in suits use drugs than you think.

Whites also are known to shop lift more than blacks, yet will not get followed in the stores. I've been followed three times in stores and those three times did NOT look like some kind of THUG or GANGSTER, most of the time being followed by another minority who was a store employee. Pathetic.

Even then I do not ever feel the need to look at most white people with suspicion or stereotype them.

Get real and open your mind. It is a racist system and always will be and as a minority, the best chance you have is to stay out of trouble and get an education because then they cannot call you stupid, or a thug because they are looking for a black or a hispanic to mess up and if you mess up and do stupid things, that is YOUR fault, not the white man's fault. Even for whites this is true. I am for people taking responsibility for their actions black or white but racial profiling is WRONG.

Even with all this, whites still are not looked at with much suspicion than blacks or hispanics. And I am not saying that blacks and hispanics never do anything bad to whites.

Everybody open your d*** minds and stop believing whatever the media tells you and do your own godd**n research. READ. The government sees all of us as mindless, ignorant sheep who do not know what is going on around us. Life is about survival. Everyday when we pick up our kids from school or get off from work, there are wars going on around us every hour of the day, that is only perceptible to the one with great insight.

[Metro Matt]

Originally Posted by Black Jack22

Cops will racially profile a good looking black guy wearing nice clothes in a $200,000 sports car if they want to but will mostly likely stop questioning him once they find out he is the city's professional star athlete making 10 million a year.

I'm White & have been pulled over in a souped up Honda before & searched for no reason at all. Chances are if you drive a fast looking car you're going to get pulled over no matter who you are.

Originally Posted by Black Jack22

Yet whites commit most of the crimes and are more times likely to use drugs than blacks. Did you know that is not that uncommon for rich whites to use drugs, especially the white suburban teens who sell and buy ecstacy, pain killers and coccaine in high schools and colleges? You do know that white kids and white adults make drug deals with black/hispanic gang members? You think all graffiti and vandalism are done by blacks and hispanics?

Source? I don't know where you're from or how old you are, but back in my raving days it was mostly Asians who were pushing Ecstasy pills.

Originally Posted by Black Jack22

You think that preppy white college student who goes to a fine college is less likely to use drugs than a black person wearing baggy jeans...hell no. I went to a mostly white college(U of H) and the I can easily tell you that the whites were involved in using illegal drugs as much and more than the minorities at the school.

In college life everyone is exposed to drugs & alcohol at some point no matter how prestigious the school or "innocent" the individual. Last time I checked U of H was a very racially diverse place.

Originally Posted by Black Jack22

Who do you think are keeping drugs circulated in America? Do you know how our government keeps drugs coming into America for our economy to run? Whites run all kinds of scams in this country, are more likely to be psychopathic killers.

Mexico keeps drugs coming in our country. Ever heard of the Mexican Mafia or Mexican Drug Cartel? If you haven't ever watched it go rent the movie Traffic, its a real eye opener.

Originally Posted by Black Jack22

More corporate white businessmen in suits use drugs than you think.

Did you know Cocaine is the 2nd most abused drug in the US after Marijuana?

Originally Posted by Black Jack22

Whites also are known to shop lift more than blacks, yet will not get followed in the stores. I've been followed three times in stores and those three times did NOT look like some kind of THUG or GANGSTER, most of the time being followed by another minority who was a store employee. Pathetic.

Again, sources?

Originally Posted by Black Jack22

Even then I do not ever feel the need to look at most white people with suspicion or stereotype them.

Why is it only about White people in every one of your statements? Seems as if you have a vendetta against them.

Originally Posted by Black Jack22

Get real and open your mind. It is a racist system and always will be and as a minority, the best chance you have is to stay out of trouble and get an education because then they cannot call you stupid, or a thug because they are looking for a black or a hispanic to mess up and if you mess up and do stupid things, that is YOUR fault, not the white man's fault. Even for whites this is true. I am for people taking responsibility for their actions black or white but racial profiling is WRONG.

Get over it already. We have a bi-racial president. There are plenty of smart Black doctors & lawyers. It seems as if the uneducated Blacks like to make poke fun at the educated ones though claiming they're white washed or kiss the white mans ass just to be successful.

Originally Posted by Black Jack22

Even with all this, whites still are not looked at with much suspicion than blacks or hispanics. And I am not saying that blacks and hispanics never do anything bad to whites.

You lost me on that one...

Originally Posted by Black Jack22

Everybody open your d*** minds and stop believing whatever the media tells you and do your own godd**n research. READ. The government sees all of us as mindless, ignorant sheep who do not know what is going on around us. Life is about survival. Everyday when we pick up our kids from school or get off from work, there are wars going on around us every hour of the day, that is only perceptible to the one with great insight.

Obviously you have not done much researching.