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Old 06-11-2010, 12:16 AM
 
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Alief traffic slows down Katy'ers and Sharpstown slows down Sugar landers. Haters probably comes from these respective locations
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Old 06-11-2010, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Both Sharpstown and Alief suffer from similar situations - a highly transient population. This is a product of the propliferation of poorly constructed apartment complexes and a large number of "starter" homes that become rentals when the first wave of owners move out. Once the transient population begins to overwhelm the schools and scores decline then areas no longer have highly-rated schools to attract the more stable populations and you have Sharpstown and Alief. Then you see the better retailers move out like they have in the Sharpstown and West Oaks Malls and if any new ones move in it will likely be ones that cater to the lower incomed population. The two must-haves for an area to survive and even thrive are a stable population and decent schools. I am hard-pressed to see how those two conditions can change in Alief or Sharpstown.
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Old 06-11-2010, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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I didn't think Alief extended that far west. West of 6 is Mission Bend, Mission Glen, Providence, Waterford, etc. They are zoned to FBISD schools.
You are only partly correct. All the years I lived in Mission Bend my daughter attended Alief Schools because the border that divides Ft. Bend from Harris Counties meanders all over the place. I now live in a tiny subdivision off Westheimer that has pieces of both counties and thus students in both districts.
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Old 06-11-2010, 08:51 AM
 
Location: The land of sugar... previously Houston and Austin
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With the real estate slide, that could last 10 years like the last time, NO I don't think Sharpstown has a chance.

If all the bad apartments burned down, and swanky boutiques moved in, and gangs no longer existed.. maybe......but it will always have a stigma now.

I think ALief has a better chance due to location to Westchase/Memorial and Energy Corridor. But, like I said with the economy going the way it is.
Alief is unique, yes, the way it is sandwiched between Sugar Land and the Energy Corridor. I have to drive through the edge of it to get to my office near Westchase / EC. People from south Katy and the northern parts of Sugar Land drive through it (via the Westpark) to get to the Galleria area. And I don't care what people say about West Oaks, as long as Alamo Drafthouse is there I'll keep going to get my fix!
I don't know how this location next to much higher income demographics will affect it, but right now there's enough crime, poor schools and transient population there that it will take quite an effort to turn around Alief.

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If you don't have good schools, you won't appeal to the suburban crowd. If you don't have a short commute, then you won't appeal to the "in-town" crowd.
True. But actually, both of these (especially Sharpstown) are located quite well for commuting. Sharpstown would be an easy commute to the Medical Center, Galleria, even downtown via Hwy 59, and Alief is very close to the Energy Corridor and Westchase. But as long as all of the crummy apartments and cheap housing is still around, there's not much hope. The addition of Royal Oaks was a small boost for Alief, though.

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Both Sharpstown and Alief suffer from similar situations - a highly transient population. This is a product of the propliferation of poorly constructed apartment complexes and a large number of "starter" homes that become rentals when the first wave of owners move out. Once the transient population begins to overwhelm the schools and scores decline then areas no longer have highly-rated schools to attract the more stable populations and you have Sharpstown and Alief. Then you see the better retailers move out like they have in the Sharpstown and West Oaks Malls and if any new ones move in it will likely be ones that cater to the lower incomed population. The two must-haves for an area to survive and even thrive are a stable population and decent schools. I am hard-pressed to see how those two conditions can change in Alief or Sharpstown.
I think the only way the situations would change would be if the land value goes up high enough that the crummy apartment owners start selling off the properties for better use of the land, and better new development comes in. With some of these predictions of Houston's population growth, I guess this is possible after many, many years, but it depends on who all of the predicted population growth is specifically made of (will it be upward college grads, or will it be poverty families?)

I hope both of these areas eventually turn around. They are both located well. Certainly better located to Houston's employment centers than places out way past Fulshear, Tomball, Needville etc.
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Old 06-11-2010, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Greater Houston
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Both Sharpstown and Alief suffer from similar situations - a highly transient population.
So does Cinco Ranch with all the corporate transferees who will move to the next job location (most likely overseas) in 2-3 years.
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Old 06-11-2010, 11:45 AM
 
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Believe it or not guys, not every single neighborhood can be rich and white.
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Old 06-11-2010, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Houston (Memorial) and Western NC
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Believe it or not guys, not every single neighborhood can be rich and white.

I think I just heard that the 2010 census stated that "non-hispanic whites" were no longer the majority in Texas. Huge shocker not. But yes, the burbs will become more and more "diverse," aka less white.

But maybe we'll qualifiy for scholarships now that we're a minority. Nahhhhh...we have decades of restitution still ahead of us.
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Old 06-11-2010, 07:29 PM
 
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But maybe we'll qualifiy for scholarships now that we're a minority. Nahhhhh...we have decades of restitution still ahead of us.
We're probably a plurality, rather than a minority.
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Old 06-11-2010, 09:10 PM
 
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This Sharpstown discussion is a big surprise because what I've seeing on Google street view looks great (the leafy, well maintained neighborhoods). Is it mainly the apartment complexes that are the problem? We have the same issue in Austin.

As for whether Sharpstown will "come back", look at areas like Washington Avenue that were very bad news and are coming back nicely because of the great location.
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Old 06-11-2010, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Katy,TX.
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alief is actually nice. It really depends on what side you're on. If you're west of highway 6, the single family homes are definitely nice. And even if they don't look that great on the outside, the inside of them are great. Usually people living here have lived in their home for many, many years, so invest a lot in them.
LOL, thanks for the humor.
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