Alert for Sugar Land residents (Houston, Spring: credit, home, neighborhood)

[sxrckr]

Originally Posted by nana053

Why not try scattered site housing instead of putting everyone into large multifamily dwellings? It makes more sense to spread people out among all income levels.

You're on the right track.
This was part of the idea in the "project row-houses" and Habitat for Humanity.

There are been plenty of sociology studies showing people are MUCH more likely to take pride of their community when it is not all packed together (as in huge generic apartment complexes), and is more in the single-family format allowing some individuality. Also, when the housing is packed in together in the apartment format, it is a HUGE burden on the schools - which is not good for anyone in the community.

[texas7]

I have to chuckle at this entire thread because many of the posters upset with the section 8 housing, what that does to schools, etc. and send their kids to primarily caucasion schools are some of the very ones who scream that they want to live in diverse communities only and blast anyone who posts asking about a primarily white, black, hispanic, asian, etc. area in which to live. Too funny. Diversity comes in all income levels in addition to race. And no I'm not implying they are closet racists or any racism whatsoever just noting that their opinion differs when it comes to certain issues.

[Topaz]

Originally Posted by texas7

I have to chuckle at this entire thread because many of the posters upset with the section 8 housing, what that does to schools, etc. and send their kids to primarily caucasion schools are some of the very ones who scream that they want to live in diverse communities only and blast anyone who posts asking about a primarily white, black, hispanic, asian, etc. area in which to live.

I don't think there's such a thing as a "primarily Caucasian" school in Sugar Land.

[Mom2Feebs]

Originally Posted by texas7

I have to chuckle at this entire thread because many of the posters upset with the section 8 housing, what that does to schools, etc. and send their kids to primarily caucasion schools are some of the very ones who scream that they want to live in diverse communities only and blast anyone who posts asking about a primarily white, black, hispanic, asian, etc. area in which to live. Too funny. Diversity comes in all income levels in addition to race.

Really? Huh. I don't recall anyone screaming or blasting. If there are many, how come I can't recall who they are, these people that have blasted and screamed at people who come from cities where it is obviously more segregated according to ethnicity?

And no I'm not implying they are closet racists or any racism whatsoever

You're not?

[EEstudent]

I read through this entire thread and I feel like i need to input something.

First of all, I support low-income housing. This town is run by developers and there aint too much you and me can do about it. So why do I support the low-income project? Well, its about time that Sugar Land stepped out of the bubble that they live in. I went to Clements High School most of the students that go to there dont realize the real world. Most of them just go to school and go home and not have to worry about anything else. So is it a fabolous idea that low-income housing is being put out here, no but will it be as bad as some of you are making it out to be? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

This complex would be zoned to Austin High School... majority of the students live in New Territory... a quiet little suburban neighborhood... So would it be a bad idea if the kids there met someone who has real world problems... someone who doesnt know where their next meal is coming from??


So is the exposure good yes,
but is there a possibility that a few kids might be swayed to do something stupid because of the new influence .. not if the parents are involved.


will crime go up in the area? Statistically yes, but is it going to be that big of a disturbance? Well to say the Least SugarLand cops will finally have something to do, instead of handing out tickets for rolling stop signs, and going 40 in a 35.

[Hstnbnd]

First of all, I support low-income housing. This town is run by developers and there aint too much you and me can do about it. So why do I support the low-income project? Well, its about time that Sugar Land stepped out of the bubble that they live in. I went to Clements High School most of the students that go to there dont realize the real world. Most of them just go to school and go home and not have to worry about anything else. So is it a fabolous idea that low-income housing is being put out here, no but will it be as bad as some of you are making it out to be? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

So what? Are you saying that because people choose not to be involved in the downfall of society do not live in the real world? They live in their own choice of the real world. I'm NOT a supporter of Section 8 housing, it just doesn't work well for ANYONE.

Also, when you throw a rotten apple in a barrel of good apples, you are not left with all good apples, the rot takes over and the whole barrel stinks. IMO.

[EEstudent]

Originally Posted by Hstnbnd

So what? Are you saying that because people choose not to be involved in the downfall of society do not live in the real world? They live in their own choice of the real world. I'm NOT a supporter of Section 8 housing, it just doesn't work well for ANYONE.

Also, when you throw a rotten apple in a barrel of good apples, you are not left with all good apples, the rot takes over and the whole barrel stinks. IMO.

OK so what if they choose to shut-away all the "downfalls of society". That doesnt mean their kids should not know that at least its out there. People have no idea what type of bubble these high school kids live in. Now will it lead a few kids astray... sure but there some benefits to be had.

[Hstnbnd]

Who are THEY? The parents? In the scenario you described as the bubble, seems to me it is the parents keeping their children from exposure to what could be bad choices...so if THEY meaning the parents of poor choice members decided to keep them from the better choices, well, I don't see that happening. Regarding the children shield from poorer choices, their bubble will not be burst once entering society as young adults and seeing diversity of choices, they will have been maturely taught to deal with their own character building experiences.

[AK123]

Originally Posted by EEstudent

will crime go up in the area? Statistically yes, but is it going to be that big of a disturbance? Well to say the Least SugarLand cops will finally have something to do, instead of handing out tickets for rolling stop signs, and going 40 in a 35.

Your whole response is just silly. But I won't get into it all.

Anyone who makes comments like that (that it would be good to mix the kids together) needs to do a little research on Sharpstown, Alief and Bammel/Spring. What started out as one or two complexes and a seemingly good idea, snowballed into more complexes. The schools went downhill, middle and middle-upper class families sprawled out further to find better schools, and now those once great areas are run-down, the lower-income kids are no better off than before, and Houston gets more sprawl, traffic and long commutes. So tell me, is this what you would like to see happen to this area?

You obviously don't know the area the complex is proposed, which is not in the Sugar Land city limits even though it has a Sugar Land postal address. So "Sugar Land cops" would rarely be involved, it would be Fort Bend County.

This would probably never fly in the Sugar Land city limits - the city would be all over it.

The developer is trying to sneak it in an area on a winding, small two lane road that isn't very busy (and he probably hopes few people will see the sign announcing the hearing date/time).

Oh, and he's tried to develop the same complex elsewhere... and what a surprise, others didn't want it in their area either.
http://www.glenshire.org/Newsletters/2007-05.pdf

Get out of college, start a family, become a homeowner and you know what - if someone tried this in an area zoned to your kids' schools, I bet you'd feel differently. Otherwise, with all due respect I think you're just talking out of your inexperienced butt.

[AK123]

Originally Posted by EEstudent

OK so what if they choose to shut-away all the "downfalls of society". That doesnt mean their kids should not know that at least its out there.

And your proposal of doing this is by forcing government-subsidized (funded by tax payers) complexes into an area the residents don't want them, to overwhelm the schools, and hurt the property values of residents who have been in the area and paying property taxes in the area long before the developer even thought of coming in?

Don't you think there's probably a better way? Like perhaps, leaving it up to the parents to find other ways to expose their children to the "real world", if they so wish?

I thought we lived in a democracy here.

Like I've said before - the developer isn't doing this out of goodwill. It's a business venture. Otherwise, he'd have no problem building the development near his home in Sweetwater and zoned to his schools - but I guarantee you he would never do that, even if the residents allowed it (which they wouldn't).