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Old 04-22-2009, 06:23 PM
 
Location: California
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Default Toddville Rd Mansion and murder?

Anybody ever hear of it? In speaking with a friend today, she asked me...I guess since Toddville is just a hop away from us. I did find this on the net:

Chron.com | News, search and shopping from the Houston Chronicle

Haunted? Sounds like the stuff stories sitting around the campfire are made of!
I have to go do a drive by and see what sits there now...
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Old 04-22-2009, 06:31 PM
 
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I think it is a new house now, but I could be thinking of the lot next to it.

Used to be a massive house and it was impressive looking. Sad story, but I do remember it.
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Old 04-22-2009, 06:35 PM
 
Location: California
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One article I found said it was a motel or condos now...trying to think where on the waterside a motel is. Unless that was misinformation. It did give an address. Sort of interesting, as when I was growing up back in NJ, there was a murder in town and the house was also known as the "List Mansion". DesertSun knows!
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Old 04-22-2009, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Houston (Memorial) and Western NC
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Wasn't that the place that looked like a prision. Bars and all, like he locked the boys in. Ew
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Old 04-22-2009, 06:54 PM
 
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Found another article on some off the wall paranormal website...they mentioned the "Seabrook Demon" paced the halls as well!
This is the first I've ever heard of all this stuff!
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Old 04-22-2009, 08:36 PM
 
Location: A little suburb of Houston
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The "Murder Mansion" was dismantled at least 10 years ago or more (been a while, hard to remember). There are about 5 houses there where it used to be. Real shame about that. The place was pretty incredible. Built by a guy that had big investments in the steel industry, it was steel framed, had an inland section and a seaside section that were connected by an incredible glassed-in area that housed pool, spa, gardens, etc. including these giant wrought iron hanging baskets (3-5 ft in dia.) and had a walkway leading from the third floor of one section to the other that spanned the area (first floor was garage on one side and mechanicals on the other). The front and back porches were heavily encased in cast steel decorative pieces (not bars, more like vines but just as enclosing). The details inside were pretty nice too but vandals had done some damage by the time I was able to tour it w/ the VFD (just before it was dismantled). The fireplace surrounds and mantles were pretty intricate and appeared hand-carved along with some of the other finish work including this beautiful fountain as you walked in the front door. I have a fascination with architecture and have to say that building was pretty unique. BTW the vandals only made it into the building by cutting holes through the floors from the garage area. When I say the building was dismantled, I meant that literally...turned out to be a first rate recycling project to collect all that steel and some of the remaining architectural pieces.
The mansion was on about 3-5 acres of land, there was a large koi pond as you drive in with some pretty nice looking fish. I never found out, but I hope someone rescued those fish before they filled in the pond.
The reason it was never occupied again was that it was incredibly expensive to maintain for a single family and the city would not relent and allow it to be zoned multi-family. The other problem was that from the outside, it really was ugly...a brick and steel monstrosity.

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Old 04-22-2009, 09:33 PM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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One article I found said it was a motel or condos now...trying to think where on the waterside a motel is. Unless that was misinformation. It did give an address. Sort of interesting, as when I was growing up back in NJ, there was a murder in town and the house was also known as the "List Mansion". DesertSun knows!
Yes I remember the List murders well. That was your home town of Westfield. I worked right up the street from it. That house was haunted for about 2 years after the mass murder, then one mischief night, Halloween eve, the kids burned it down. Locals watched it burn and swore they saw the Devil in the intense fire.

I can remember for each of the 18 years he was free, on the aniversery date of the murders they would have a special on the news about it. They even made a full feature film that aired on Lifetime but remains unavailable for purchase in the USA. It was called Judgement Day which was released in 1993. John list was played by Robert Blake in the acting performance of his acting carreer.

I remember in 1989 when he was caught because of the TV show America's Most wanted and they interupted all broadcasting to cover the story. It was more important then when we found Saddam Hussien hiding in a hole. List died last March 21 in prison.

Man what a story !!!

John List - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The short version

John List, famous murderer - The Crime Library - Crime Library on truTV.com
The long version for those who love to read real life crime drama.
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Old 04-23-2009, 08:26 AM
 
Location: California
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Yes I remember the List murders well. That was your home town of Westfield. I worked right up the street from it. That house was haunted for about 2 years after the mass murder, then one mischief night, Halloween eve, the kids burned it down. Locals watched it burn and swore they saw the Devil in the intense fire.

I can remember for each of the 18 years he was free, on the aniversery date of the murders they would have a special on the news about it. They even made a full feature film that aired on Lifetime but remains unavailable for purchase in the USA. It was called Judgement Day which was released in 1993. John list was played by Robert Blake in the acting performance of his acting carreer.

I remember in 1989 when he was caught because of the TV show America's Most wanted and they interupted all broadcasting to cover the story. It was more important then when we found Saddam Hussien hiding in a hole. List died last March 21 in prison.

Man what a story !!!

John List - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The short version

John List, famous murderer - The Crime Library - Crime Library on truTV.com
The long version for those who love to read real life crime drama.
I was in high school at the time. My then boyfriend ( and now husband) lived directly in back of the List house on the next street over. After the murders, being kids, the cool thing to do, of course, was to hop the fence and go up to the house. Many kids went in....I was always too chicken. I worked at one of the local banks and they were customers...in every Thursday nite. It was a real shocker to the town.
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Old 04-23-2009, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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I was in high school at the time. My then boyfriend ( and now husband) lived directly in back of the List house on the next street over. After the murders, being kids, the cool thing to do, of course, was to hop the fence and go up to the house. Many kids went in....I was always too chicken. I worked at one of the local banks and they were customers...in every Thursday nite. It was a real shocker to the town.
I never went in. I just remember the graffiti all over the house. I do remember when kids burned the house down it was found that the ceiling in the ballroom was made of copper and gold. It was so valuble that if sold even in the 1970s would have set the List family up for life financially. But John List had no idea.
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Old 04-23-2009, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Houston, Texas
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Here's a picture of the house on Google Images. What an ugly place!
http://i44.tinypic.com/2ufyag2.jpg
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